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[clidd]

Migth of been me but i said it coild mean 3 things. One was that but also that one of the claims is fake

I just cant see scum not trying to get rid of dave or wake if they could. If scum have rb ability left. Waka or dave would have died. If they just have utility role then it asks the question how would they deal with dave/waka

Dave can protect Wake, while Wake watches Dave. This is probably one of the reasons why neither died. But, as I mentioned before, there may have been a different interpretation of Holden's slot that suggested he was TPR, which would also motivate an NK outside the {Dave-Wake-Morning} scope.

[Hectic]

I figured you would from your earlier post, clidd, but better to confirm it of course.

Davesaz/Lucky:

Babysitter

Gamma Emerald:

Ascetic Townie

Bobman:

VT

profii:

VT

Adorable:

VT

clidd:

VT

Waka Waka, could you full claim now?

[bob3141]

Migth of been me but i said it coild mean 3 things. One was that but also that one of the claims is fake

I just cant see scum not trying to get rid of dave or wake if they could. If scum have rb ability left. Waka or dave would have died. If they just have utility role then it asks the question how would they deal with dave/waka

Dave can protect Wake, while Wake watches Dave. This is probably one of the reasons why neither died. But, as I mentioned before, there may have been a different interpretation of Holden's slot that suggested he was TPR, which would also motivate an NK outside the {Dave-Wake-Morning} scope.

If dave protects wake and wake watches dave.

If scum kill dave. Dave and wake die. And we get no info.

Better dave slot protects some they think is scum. If scum try and kill that slot. He migth take out one of them

They cant kill wake as there is always teh risk to them that dave will gambit and infact protect wake.

[LuckyLuciano]

Somebody explain to me how Gamma is still breathing.

[Hectic]

Somebody explain to me how Gamma is still breathing.

We'll get to this after we finish the massclaim.

[clidd]

If dave protects wake and wake watches dave.

If scum kill dave. Dave and wake die. And we get no info.

Better dave slot protects some they think is scum. If scum try and kill that slot. He migth take out one of them

They cant kill wake as there is always teh risk to them that dave will gambit and infact protect wake.

[clidd]

LuckyLuciano replaces davesaz.

Hello again.

[LuckyLuciano]

Hi Clidd. Why is Gamma still breathing?

[clidd]

I was kind of impatient when I replaced Aloratom near the deadline and didn't read Aaron (Creature's predecessor) in full before we defined the lynch. Which resulted in the Gamma's life extension.

[LuckyLuciano]

Don't you hard townread Gamma? Care to explain?

[clidd]

No, it was just a positive impression because he voted too early for Tictac (Chemist's predecessor) whose flip was scum.

[clidd]

I had other reasons too, which were mentioned on posts 1265, 1267, 1272 and 1323, but they are precocious interpretations in the short time that I had. At the moment, my official position on the slot is at post 1341, after having the opportunity to read the game better.

[LuckyLuciano]

So can we flash lynch Gamma and move on to me dying tonight so that I don't have to read the rest of the game and find the 3rd mafia? All I've done so far is trend analysis and it's pretty blatant upon first look that Gamma is mafia.

[Hectic]

Let's see this trend analysis.

Gamma, how have you played this game differently knowing you were an Ascetic Townie?

[LuckyLuciano]

I'll post the data for now. I still need more time to read the game before I formulate my final results.

[LuckyLuciano]

Day 1 VCA

Spoiler: 1

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (1):

HoldenGolden

,

tictac

(1): Wake88,
profii (0):

davesaz

(0):
Cat Scratch Fever (1):

SirCakez

,
Hectic (1):

AaronFrost

,
bob3141 (1): Hectic,
Wake88 (0):

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (1):

tictac

,

AaronFrost

(1): profii,
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting: Gamma Emerald,

davesaz

, Cat Scratch Fever, bob3141, Aloratom, Morning Tweet

Spoiler: 2

HoldenGolden

(1): Hectic,
Gamma Emerald (0):

tictac

(1): Wake88,
profii (0):

davesaz

(0):
Cat Scratch Fever (1):

SirCakez

,
Hectic (2):

AaronFrost

, Morning Tweet,
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (1):

tictac

,

AaronFrost

(2): profii,

HoldenGolden

,
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting: Gamma Emerald,

davesaz

, Cat Scratch Fever, bob3141, Aloratom,

Spoiler: 3

HoldenGolden

(1): Cat Scratch Fever,
Gamma Emerald (0):

tictac

(1): Wake88,
profii (1): Hectic,

davesaz

(0):
Cat Scratch Fever (1):

SirCakez

,
Hectic (2):

AaronFrost

, Morning Tweet,
bob3141 (1): Aloratom,
Wake88 (1): bob3141,

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (1):

tictac

,

AaronFrost

(2): profii,

HoldenGolden

,
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting: Gamma Emerald,

davesaz

,

Spoiler: 4

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (0):

tictac

(1): Wake88,
profii (0):

davesaz

(0):
Cat Scratch Fever (1):

SirCakez

,
Hectic (3):

AaronFrost

, Morning Tweet, bob3141,
bob3141 (1): Aloratom,
Wake88 (0):

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (1):

tictac

,

AaronFrost

(4): profii,

HoldenGolden

, Hectic, Cat Scratch Fever,
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting: Gamma Emerald,

davesaz

,

Spoiler: 5

HoldenGolden

(2):

SirCakez

, Morning Tweet,
Gamma Emerald (0):

tictac

(2): Wake88, Gamma Emerald,
profii (0):

davesaz

(0):
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
Hectic (2):

AaronFrost

, bob3141,
bob3141 (1): Aloratom,
Wake88 (0):

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (1):

tictac

,

AaronFrost

(3): profii, Hectic, Cat Scratch Fever,
Morning Tweet (1):

HoldenGolden

,

Not Voting:

davesaz

,

Note: Sircakez announced his vote as non-RVS.

Spoiler: 6

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (2): Hectic, Morning Tweet,

tictac

(1): Gamma Emerald,
profii (0):

davesaz

(0):
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
Hectic (3):

AaronFrost

, bob3141,

SirCakez

,
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (3):

tictac

, Wake88,

davesaz

,

AaronFrost

(1): profii,
Morning Tweet (2):

HoldenGolden

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Not Voting: Aloratom,

Spoiler: 7

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (2): Hectic,

AaronFrost

,

tictac

(2): Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever,
profii (1): Morning Tweet,

davesaz

(0):
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
Hectic (2): bob3141,

SirCakez

,
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (3):

tictac

, Wake88,

davesaz

,

AaronFrost

(1): profii,
Morning Tweet (2):

HoldenGolden

,

Not Voting: Aloratom,

Spoiler: 8

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (2): Hectic,

AaronFrost

,

tictac

(4): Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever,

SirCakez

, Wake88,
profii (1): Morning Tweet,

davesaz

(0):
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
Hectic (2): bob3141, Aloratom,
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (2):

tictac

,

davesaz

,

AaronFrost

(1): profii,
Morning Tweet (2):

HoldenGolden

,

Not Voting:

Spoiler: 9

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (0):

Chemist

(5): Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever,

SirCakez

, Hectic, profii,
profii (1): Morning Tweet,

davesaz

(0):
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
Hectic (1): bob3141,
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (4):

Chemist

,

davesaz

,

AaronFrost

, Wake88,

AaronFrost

(0):
Morning Tweet (1):

HoldenGolden

,

Not Voting: Aloratom,

Note: Chemist replaces tictac
Note: Gamma faked moving the Chemist wagon to L-1 in 534

Spoiler: 10

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (0):

Chemist

(4): Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever, Hectic, profii,
profii (1): Morning Tweet,

davesaz

(0):
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
Hectic (1): bob3141,
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (4):

Chemist

,

davesaz

,

AaronFrost

, Wake88,

AaronFrost

(2):

SirCakez

, Aloratom,
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting:

HoldenGolden

,

Spoiler: 11

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (0):

Chemist

(6): Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever, Hectic, profii,

HoldenGolden

, Aloratom,
profii (1): Morning Tweet,

davesaz

(2):

SirCakez

, bob3141,
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (4):

Chemist

,

davesaz

,

AaronFrost

, Wake88,

AaronFrost

(0):
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting:

Spoiler: 11

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (0):

Chemist

(7): Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever, Hectic, profii,

HoldenGolden

, Aloratom,

SirCakez

, <--- Hammer
profii (1): Morning Tweet,

davesaz

(1): bob3141,
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):

SirCakez

(0):
Aloratom (4):

Chemist

,

davesaz

,

AaronFrost

, Wake88,

AaronFrost

(0):
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting:

[LuckyLuciano]

Day 2 VCA

Spoiler: 1

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (4): Morning Tweet, Hectic, Adorable, Aloratom,
profii (0):

davesaz

(0):
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):
Aloratom (1):

AaronFrost

,

AaronFrost

(1): profii,
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting:

HoldenGolden

, Gamma Emerald,

davesaz

, bob3141, Wake88,

Spoiler: 2

HoldenGolden

(1): Wake88,
Gamma Emerald (4): Morning Tweet, Hectic, Adorable, Aloratom,
profii (0):

davesaz

(0):
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):
Aloratom (1):

AaronFrost

,

AaronFrost

(1): profii,
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting:

HoldenGolden

, Gamma Emerald,

davesaz

, bob3141,

Spoiler: 3

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (3): Morning Tweet, Hectic, Adorable,
profii (1):

davesaz

,

davesaz

(3): Wake88, profii, Aloratom,
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):
Aloratom (1):

AaronFrost

,

AaronFrost

(0):
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting:

HoldenGolden

, Gamma Emerald, bob3141,

Spoiler: 4

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (2): Morning Tweet, Adorable,
profii (2):

davesaz

, Hectic,

davesaz

(1): Wake88,
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):
Aloratom (1):

AaronFrost

,

AaronFrost

(1): profii,
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting:

HoldenGolden

, Gamma Emerald, bob3141, Aloratom,

Spoiler: 5

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (3): Morning Tweet, Adorable, Aloratom,
profii (1):

davesaz

,

davesaz

(1): Wake88,
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (1): Hectic,
Wake88 (0):
Aloratom (1):

AaronFrost

,

AaronFrost

(2): profii, Gamma Emerald,
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting:

HoldenGolden

, bob3141,

Spoiler: 6

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (4): Morning Tweet, Adorable, Aloratom, Hectic,
profii (0):

davesaz

(0):
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (1):

davesaz

,
Aloratom (1):

Creature

,

Creature

(4): profii, Gamma Emerald, bob3141, Wake88,
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting:

HoldenGolden

,

Note: Creature replaces AFF

Spoiler: 7

HoldenGolden

(0):
Gamma Emerald (2): Morning Tweet, Adorable,
profii (0):

davesaz

(0):
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):
Clidd (1):

Creature

,

Creature

(6): profii, Gamma Emerald, bob3141, Wake88, Hectic,

davesaz

, <--- Hammer
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting:

HoldenGolden

, Clidd,

Note: Clidd replaces Aloratom

[LuckyLuciano]

I'm not sure if anyone called Gamma out on the fake L-1 vote that could have potentially stalled a wagon that ended up being on scum. If not, now would be a good time to do so.

[clidd]

Hum.

[clidd]

Hectic, mechanically speaking, what do you think about the fact that Gamma didn't claim to be an Ascetic role on D1 ? wouldn't it be more collectively beneficial ? (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic)

[LuckyLuciano]

Do we have a full claim from Tweet? I don't see them on Hectic's list.

[Hectic]

I may as well post my thoughts on this now. There's no way of knowing when Waka Waka will waka up and full claim, and I think he's probably just a normal watcher. My role is ridiculously overpowered, and I wouldn't blame you all if you wanted to policy lynch me for possessing such a role. It's honestly just a spit in the face for scum.

Spoiler:

VT.

[clidd]

Do we have a full claim from Tweet? I don't see them on Hectic's list.

We don't.

Plus: Luciano, do you think Morning can be scum based on the visit that your slot and she made to Hectic that did not feature a death ?

[Hectic]

I softed a PR since I didn't want to give scum the opportunity to claim a PR and muddy the waters for which of the PRs is scum. Now that everyone else has claimed VT, I'm very inclined to believe that all of the PRs claimed thus far are town - other than Gamma of course which we'll get to later.

So hopefully, I just discouraged scum from claiming one.

[LuckyLuciano]

I don't see how us both visiting Hectic means she is not scum.