Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Kirani Momobami Was Killed Night 2. The Never Ending Night They Were a

Vanilla Townie

Day 3 Begins Now

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 3.01

Not Voting (5)

- HoldenGolden, humaneatingmonkey, Tuxedo Mask, Peter Pan, Rectiplanes

With 5 players alive it takes 3 votes to lynch.

Groundhog Day Is Over.

Day 3 Electric Boogaloo Begins Now. (expired on 2020-05-11 07:15:00)

[Rectiplanes]

Um, ok? Not what I expected but I still don't see anyone else as scum, so:

VOTE: HoldenGolden

and I assume the kill was just a big ol' bottle of WIFOM because scum was going down if they didn't try to shake things up.

[Rectiplanes]

I see no reason to ditch the monkey's plan to flip Kiribati Montelukast and then HoldenGolden just because scum sped things up.

[Rectiplanes]

Autocorrect is a strange and wonderful thing sometimes, that was a strange but funny renaming.

[HoldenGolden]

Kirani Momobami Was Killed Night 2. The Never Ending Night They Were a

Vanilla Townie

Day 3 Begins Now

Well this makes my plan significantly easier.

I shall explain when I get back later today as I got some stuff to do. I have no qualms being lynched today. Although, I will be given at least 48 hours after I post next to find the last scum and explain my plan.

[Tuxedo Mask]

@ Peter Pan, who did you track?

[Peter Pan]

there's a roleblocker
i didn't even bother sending an action

[Tuxedo Mask]

there's a roleblocker
i didn't even bother sending an action

It would've been sick if that caught you though.

It also only takes 3 to lynch, so can no one else vote Holden, please. I at least wanna see his plan, and hear what HEM has to say.

[Rectiplanes]

there's a roleblocker
i didn't even bother sending an action

You should always send in an action, even if it's probably pointless. You never know when scum might derp it up and do something pointlessly self-defeating like, say, shoot the person we had planned on hanging today.

[Tuxedo Mask]

there's a roleblocker
i didn't even bother sending an action

You should always send in an action, even if it's probably pointless. You never know when scum might derp it up and do something pointlessly self-defeating like, say, shoot the person we had planned on hanging today.

It's only further proof Elmos is the final scum, so they don't have to find a replacement.

[Rectiplanes]

I am mildly interesting in HoldenGolden's plan, whatever it is. Still want to lynch him.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Well, that was technically a kill.

I think either Kirari was killed because scum wanted to fast-track the game, or they wanted to make me lynchable by making me look bad.

First possibility means they're good with the status quo, and they think speeding up the game will help them win.
Second possibility means they're HoldenGolden.

I still see Peter Pan as indubitably a tracker. I still see TM as indubitably a town.
It could be Rectiplanes, but unlikely.

I want to hear what HG has to say.

[Rectiplanes]

Well, let's look at it logically:

At the end of day yesterday, you, monkey, suggest lynching 3bounty, then Kirari, then Holden.

I agree ("Very well, proceed") in #1886

Tuxedo Mask votes right after, unintentionally hammering, showing he's on board with this plan too - at least, this is the reasonable interpretation.

So - knowing Kirari is town: if scum is

not

Kirari or Holden, why would you possibly want to screw with this plan? Doing anything other than killing Peter Pan and proceeding to the next step is moronic.

No reason whatsoever exists for HEM, Tuxedo Mask, or myself

:

If any of us are scum, sticking to this plan leads to victory. Killing Kirari derails this plan and eliminates a scumread.

For Scum-Holden, it's a desperation throw into the end zone

:

With three town players having decided on lynching you, you have to do something to rattle their confidence and take them out of their plan; killing Kirari forces the townblock to at the minimum accelerate their plan and cast about for a new Plan B for lylo, just in case. If he's lucky, we fall into bickering and things become winnable again.

We live in column C. There is no Tracker, Holden is town, and Peter Pan needs to shorten the game ASAP because Lucky left him in a bind:

I mean, OK, scum didn't kill our claimed tracker last night. If we stick to our plan, scum has to not kill our tracker night 3, after a Kirari mislynch, too.

Let's game that out, and pretend they killed HEM instead of Kirari:

Day 3: (Kirari-slot, Rectiplanes, Holden, PeterPan, Tuxedo Mask). We lynch Kirari.
Night 4: Peter Pan kills either Tuxedo Mask or myself.
Day 4: Remaining obvious town looks at the 'confirmed Tracker' who has survived and Holden... and there are serious questions here, like how confirmed they actually are.

Instead, the better plan would be:
Night 2 : kill a

scumread

player, in this case Kirari, because the scummier the better.
Day 3: Lynch Holden, preferably, the other scumread player.
Night 4: Shoot Tuxedo Mask or myself, to townify the final three even more.
Day 4: Town must choose between three very townie players in the final three - it will be much harder to choose with less contrast.

UNVOTE: HoldenGolden

[Rectiplanes]

I meant to bold the "We live in Column C" line.

Anyways, I'm now mulling this over and seeing that it's either Holden or Peter Pan, but in no sane universe is it anyone else.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm now thinking about the statement "LL will never claim tracker with a no result on Kirari and try to lynch her." In scum!LL/PP world, claiming no result on someone and saying you're tracker clears you off suspicion when they flip green. But then again, I don't think it would have been the perfect timing and I don't think he would have replaced in a game he was sure-winning.

[Rectiplanes]

Do you think it could possibly be anyone else other than Holden or PeterPan, though?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yes. You.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Let's just focus on HG today.

[Rectiplanes]

Yes. You.

Wait, what?

How would I gain from killing Kirari?

I am genuinely confused here. If I were playing scum, killing PeterPan and letting the game develop organically from there seems like the simple, straightforward, hard to screw up plan. I can see some plausible benefits from shooting TuxedoMask or yourself to muddy the waters. Eliminating Kirari (or Holden) seems distinctly

bad

for my wincon: it derails what seems like a natural progression to victory without giving me any compensation for it.

[Rectiplanes]

Anyways, I'm going to sleep. If there is some sort of brilliant deep tactical play involved here, I'm kind of curious for future reference in games where I am scum. If it's just paranoia then I don't really care. Tuxedo, Peter, and Holden, mull over my post up there on where we are.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Kirari's replacement would not just be another newbie. It was going to be an SE. So eliminating her would help your wincon by keeping the status quo/making me lynchable/set doubt on Peter Pan. That's my guess.

I really don't know and I think it's best if we focus on HG today.

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