Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[VaultDweller]

Caught up (more or less). I'm getting a town lean from ABR's recent posts. However, I also believe Dany is town. So I have no idea who to vote right now

UNVOTE:

[VaultDweller]

Vecna is also outside hoods, but I instinctively believe his claim. Although if VaultDweller hasn't already confirmed it, can someone please get him to do so? Just to verify that his flavour also includes something about looking for his son.

There is no mention of a son in my role, but I mean, if someones going to clear me as town, who am I to second guess them?

[VaultDweller]

I think Vecna also mentioned that I didn't know about him

[Battle Mage]

Caught up (more or less). I'm getting a town lean from ABR's recent posts. However, I also believe Dany is town. So I have no idea who to vote right now

UNVOTE:

Do you not think it's odd then that ABR behaved so differently when he initially came under pressure at start of day?

[Battle Mage]

Vecna is also outside hoods, but I instinctively believe his claim. Although if VaultDweller hasn't already confirmed it, can someone please get him to do so? Just to verify that his flavour also includes something about looking for his son.

There is no mention of a son in my role, but I mean,

if someones going to clear me as town, who am I to second guess them?

[Battle Mage]

Gamma and iDany really shouldn't be scum together-- i can't imagine iDany fakeclaiming one of his scumpartners as one of his clears.

Because A.) I do NOT want an ABR lynch and B.) iDany's claim doesn't clear him for me, iDany remains the best vote. iDany still claims this role if it's his mod fakeclaim.

I am also willing to explore Blake, dave, and Drixx either today or in the future. Possibly pisskop and BBMolla too but did get some measures of town

only just noticed this.

Why are you so sure ABR is town? Especially when you seem extraordinarily ambivalent about who you lynch today.

I'm not sure how you've got to the idea that Dany would have been given a "role" fakeclaim. We did discuss earlier, and conclusion was that this probably wasn't the case given Momo's fakeclaim which he never gave any support/backing for. Maybe I'm wrong, but think it would be helpful for you explain where you got this idea from, given you're suggesting basing today's lynch off it. I think the only thing in Dany's favour (the claim which seems very credible in terms of flavour-role-mech link), appears to be something you're quite comfortable with. Of course it could have been pre-planned by scum as I said. But you seem to be arguing that it was given to him by the Mod?

[VaultDweller]

Caught up (more or less). I'm getting a town lean from ABR's recent posts. However, I also believe Dany is town. So I have no idea who to vote right now

UNVOTE:

Do you not think it's odd then that ABR behaved so differently when he initially came under pressure at start of day?

Can you elaborate? I see two changes:
- He was quite angry at you scumreading him. He has calmed down a bit now. This could be a) because he actually has calmed down (NAI), or b) he took the mod warning seriously (NAI)
- He was confident in his reads, and now suddenly he apparently has no read on the game. I admit this one is a bit strange.

[BBmolla]

BBmolla post quickly, I don't know if you're scum or not

If I was scum I'd be posting

[Vecna]

VOTE: iDanyboy

Nah I feel stupid if Danny is scum and we don't lynch him.

The simplest explanation is Danny is scum. I'm just too uncertain about anything else.

The thing holding me back....

Would the mod give him a cop fakeclaim while theres actually a town cop and 2 town IC's?

Like, its all counter-balanced by the number of deaths regardless, but a scum fakeclaim that will get cc'd by town straight away would be..."interesting design"

I dont particularly think the claim makes him scummier

[Vecna]

I'm struggling to find the 4 scum is why. I'm not sure of any reads right now.

If ABR is scum here he sure has gone back to being very good at acting the other way

[Vecna]

I think Vecna also mentioned that I didn't know about him

My role pm does kinda imply its likely that youre going ballistic looking for me, since im missing. But yes, it specifically states you do not know my alignment.

odd

[Vecna]

BBmolla post quickly, I don't know if you're scum or not

If I was scum I'd be posting

I strongly disagree with this statement

[Vecna]

I think Vecna also mentioned that I didn't know about him

My role pm does kinda imply its likely that youre going ballistic looking for me, since im missing. But yes, it specifically states you do not know my alignment.

odd

Guess the mod was just smart about it to make sure the flavour of the role pm's wont make me an IC as well

[Albert B. Rampage]

BBmolla post quickly, I don't know if you're scum or not

If I was scum I'd be posting

WIFOM. Post.

[Morning Tweet]

MorningTweet, please see above. If you're town, don't spend the rest of the day running around bandwagonning people and getting claims for no reason. If we've outted another investigative (and that's a BIG IF), then that's already pretty bad. We should be expecting scum to be firing out some decent PR based fakeclaims by now, after what happened with Momo and ABR.

You will have to explain to me again why you strongly don't want ABR to be the lynch today. Because earlier, your reason was that you would rather lynch Danyboy. Now you doubt yourself on Danyboy, but you still won't go back to ABR, despite acknowledging he could be scum. It doesn't add up.

I'm struggling to find the 4 scum is why. I'm not sure of any reads right now.

If ABR is scum here he sure has gone back to being very good at acting the other way

This is probably the best way i can put it BM. if he is scum he is a good actor

[Morning Tweet]

Gamma and iDany really shouldn't be scum together-- i can't imagine iDany fakeclaiming one of his scumpartners as one of his clears.

Because A.) I do NOT want an ABR lynch and B.) iDany's claim doesn't clear him for me, iDany remains the best vote. iDany still claims this role if it's his mod fakeclaim.

I am also willing to explore Blake, dave, and Drixx either today or in the future. Possibly pisskop and BBMolla too but did get some measures of town

only just noticed this.

Why are you so sure ABR is town? Especially when you seem extraordinarily ambivalent about who you lynch today.

I'm not sure how you've got to the idea that Dany would have been given a "role" fakeclaim. We did discuss earlier, and conclusion was that this probably wasn't the case given Momo's fakeclaim which he never gave any support/backing for. Maybe I'm wrong, but think it would be helpful for you explain where you got this idea from, given you're suggesting basing today's lynch off it. I think the only thing in Dany's favour (the claim which seems very credible in terms of flavour-role-mech link), appears to be something you're quite comfortable with. Of course it could have been pre-planned by scum as I said. But you seem to be arguing that it was given to him by the Mod?

ABR is not my fall-back from iDany by far. Even if iDany became confirmed town i wouldn't want to vote ABR, which the point im trying to get across

Here's the last few lines of momo's PM:

-You have infiltrated the group of Jigsaw survivors under the guise of

Simone.

As a Jigsaw Survivor, you may communicate with other Jigsaw Survivors here at all times: [REDACTED]
-You have many allies. [REDACTED]
-You have a cover for your evil schemes. Your assigned flavor fakeclaim is

Simone.

[REDACTED]

I've interpreted the last line to mean that he's given an entire fakeclaim in the redacted area. At the very least, he is shown a picture of the fake-claim character, I'm sure. It makes the most sense to me that a role would also be given.

[Vecna]

I agree MT

[SirCakez]

Votecount 3.2

Albert B. Rampage (4) - Battle Mage, iDanyboy, pisskop, Gamma Emerald
iDanyboy (1) - GeorgeBailey

Not voting (9) - davesaz, Blake Belladonna, BBmolla, Drixx, Vecna, GuiltyLion, Morning Tweet, Albert B. Rampage, VaultDweller

(expired on 2020-05-16 19:49:00) remain until day end

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to reach a majority.

"Up until now, you have spent your life among the dead, piecing together their final moments. You're good at this because you, like them, are also dead. Dead... on the inside."

[davesaz]

Would the mod give him a cop fakeclaim while theres actually a town cop and 2 town IC's?

Given it's the "police" hood, why wouldn't it be a cop fakeclaim?

Not to mention if there is scum in the hood (likely given the numbers) it wouldn't be hard to choose a cop type role on one's own regardless of whether the fakeclaims contain lots of detail or not. A "internal affairs" who needs to clear out the rest of the hood makes a wonderful fakeclaim. The only real danger of fake claiming that would be if there were someone with that actual role.

[Battle Mage]

Caught up (more or less). I'm getting a town lean from ABR's recent posts. However, I also believe Dany is town. So I have no idea who to vote right now

UNVOTE:

Do you not think it's odd then that ABR behaved so differently when he initially came under pressure at start of day?

Can you elaborate? I see two changes:
- He was quite angry at you scumreading him. He has calmed down a bit now. This could be a) because he actually has calmed down (NAI), or b) he took the mod warning seriously (NAI)
- He was confident in his reads, and now suddenly he apparently has no read on the game. I admit this one is a bit strange.

You've under-played the former. He was clearly completely thrown by the Day 3 open, taken off his game, eventually getting angry and defensive at everyone, not just me. I won't labour the point because it probably isn't good for the game to keep going back to it, but it's there for you to see if you look.

I'm less concerned than you are about the latter.

[Battle Mage]

Would the mod give him a cop fakeclaim while theres actually a town cop and 2 town IC's?

Given it's the "police" hood, why wouldn't it be a cop fakeclaim?

Not to mention if there is scum in the hood (likely given the numbers) it wouldn't be hard to choose a cop type role on one's own regardless of whether the fakeclaims contain lots of detail or not. A "internal affairs" who needs to clear out the rest of the hood makes a wonderful fakeclaim. The only real danger of fake claiming that would be if there were someone with that actual role.

completely agree. it's a very good claim, but he could have made it up, especially with 3 other people helping him.

[Battle Mage]

MorningTweet, please see above. If you're town, don't spend the rest of the day running around bandwagonning people and getting claims for no reason. If we've outted another investigative (and that's a BIG IF), then that's already pretty bad. We should be expecting scum to be firing out some decent PR based fakeclaims by now, after what happened with Momo and ABR.

You will have to explain to me again why you strongly don't want ABR to be the lynch today. Because earlier, your reason was that you would rather lynch Danyboy. Now you doubt yourself on Danyboy, but you still won't go back to ABR, despite acknowledging he could be scum. It doesn't add up.

I'm struggling to find the 4 scum is why. I'm not sure of any reads right now.

If ABR is scum here he sure has gone back to being very good at acting the other way

This is probably the best way i can put it BM. if he is scum he is a good actor

I don't believe you. You've always maintained he was town: when he was acting erratic, when he was acting stable, angry, happy, indifferent.
Perhaps you've misunderstood Vecna here, because he is making the point that ABR's behaviour has gone from being scummy to less scummy, which is clearly not what you believe.

Frankly, I don't think you even read what he said - you just grabbed the nearest pro-ABR post you could find and hoped it would suffice.

[Battle Mage]

Gamma and iDany really shouldn't be scum together-- i can't imagine iDany fakeclaiming one of his scumpartners as one of his clears.

Because A.) I do NOT want an ABR lynch and B.) iDany's claim doesn't clear him for me, iDany remains the best vote. iDany still claims this role if it's his mod fakeclaim.

I am also willing to explore Blake, dave, and Drixx either today or in the future. Possibly pisskop and BBMolla too but did get some measures of town

only just noticed this.

Why are you so sure ABR is town? Especially when you seem extraordinarily ambivalent about who you lynch today.

I'm not sure how you've got to the idea that Dany would have been given a "role" fakeclaim. We did discuss earlier, and conclusion was that this probably wasn't the case given Momo's fakeclaim which he never gave any support/backing for. Maybe I'm wrong, but think it would be helpful for you explain where you got this idea from, given you're suggesting basing today's lynch off it. I think the only thing in Dany's favour (the claim which seems very credible in terms of flavour-role-mech link), appears to be something you're quite comfortable with. Of course it could have been pre-planned by scum as I said. But you seem to be arguing that it was given to him by the Mod?

ABR is not my fall-back from iDany by far. Even if iDany became confirmed town i wouldn't want to vote ABR, which the point im trying to get across

Here's the last few lines of momo's PM:

-You have infiltrated the group of Jigsaw survivors under the guise of

Simone.

As a Jigsaw Survivor, you may communicate with other Jigsaw Survivors here at all times: [REDACTED]
-You have many allies. [REDACTED]
-You have a cover for your evil schemes. Your assigned flavor fakeclaim is

Simone.

[REDACTED]

I've interpreted the last line to mean that he's given an entire fakeclaim in the redacted area. At the very least, he is shown a picture of the fake-claim character, I'm sure. It makes the most sense to me that a role would also be given.

Eh...I don't think we're getting anywhere with this. If I wasn't so convinced with my setup solve, I would have voted for you several pages ago, because this die-hard defence of ABR doesn't read as genuine at all.

If we aren't actually lynching ABR today, even though he is scum, let's give some alternative options:

Pisskop
BBMolla
GuiltyLion

If everyone can vote for somebody on that list, we can get a couple of productive BWs going, learn something useful and hopefully lynch some scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Blake

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Blake

If there's scum in the FBI hood, it probably ain't Blake.