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[Zulfy]

btw it's totes frustration

[clidd]

@Clidd, Why did you unvote me?

@Zulfy, it's not frustration. I copied my town game for a reason. That reason will be revealed later in the game. At that point you will see clear town motivation for it. If you want to argue that it's scum motivated at that point, go for it. The only thing I'm frustrated about is your clear inability to think critically.

I believe that Scum!Luciano would have worked more in an argumentative sense. The use of irony in this context is an indication of interpretative debauchery of my post, which you probably see as too absurd to be true, which alludes to a mentality of

"this guy is an idiot"

, which I observe more often coming town alignment than necessarily scum. And because I don't want to (again) enter a possible 1v1 with you that will only waste time and cognitive energy on both sides.

[Persivul]

And you think that's alignment-indicative, and a person who goofs around about claims on page 1 is more likely to be scum?

No, but I think it's anti-town and I'd PL it D1 no problem. Just can't get other people on board. LAL is dead.

[clidd]

If you are trolling you are doing a good job.

This post ^

[Persivul]

Persivul is narrow-minded. SCUM is narrow-minded.

I know as scum I LOVE it when someone's pulling that shit. It's really easy to manipulate in later game.

[Zulfy]

Clidd, anyone who disagrees with anyone is called an idiot. Genuinely or not. It's not alignment indicative.

[LuckyLuciano]

I've had too long of a day to spend time listening to Zulfy

trying

to irritate me (yes, 50 shows that he wants to piss me off for no reason). I'll see you all tomorrow.

[Zulfy]

LuckyLu if you're taking a break I'd say you're P irritated.

Clidd I misread your post hold on. It would appear that you Learned English.

[clidd]

Clidd, anyone who disagrees with anyone is called an idiot. Genuinely or not. It's not alignment indicative.

I expressed myself badly, I meant: I don't think that, in the experience I have with Luciano, he would try to counter a question or argument with irony as scum. But yes, you are right that this is NAI in most cases.

[Klick]

Zulfy is making sense.
VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Clidd's content is good so far, leaning town there.

[Zulfy]

Oh wait Clidd no, I misread your post just now. Post 51 is an answer to 48. Obviously.

Look, you're asking a guy why he thinks you scumread him, when you're voting him. What other sort of reaction could you expect?

[clidd]

Oh wait Clidd no, I misread your post just now. Post 51 is an answer to 48. Obviously.

Look, you're asking a guy why he thinks you scumread him, when you're voting him. What other sort of reaction could you expect?

It was just a single vote, I expected him to react like

"man, you're wrong because ..."

and then we would talk until I was convinced that he is town. But the way he approached that on posts 32~36 seemed like an overreaction, almost as if I had put him on L-1.

[Hoctac]

Defensiveness and frustration isn't an alignment-indicative trait.

Persivul is still a scummy boy.

[Zulfy]

Oh wait Clidd no, I misread your post just now. Post 51 is an answer to 48. Obviously.

Look, you're asking a guy why he thinks you scumread him, when you're voting him. What other sort of reaction could you expect?

It was just a single vote, I expected him to react like

"man, you're wrong because ..."

and then we would talk until I was convinced that he is town. But the way he approached that on posts 32~36 seemed like an overreaction, almost as if I had put him on L-1.

So you either talk it through until you think he's town, or he responds irreverently (as he did) and it also makes you think he's town. Is there any case where you might consider him scum?

[clidd]

Oh wait Clidd no, I misread your post just now. Post 51 is an answer to 48. Obviously.

Look, you're asking a guy why he thinks you scumread him, when you're voting him. What other sort of reaction could you expect?

It was just a single vote, I expected him to react like

"man, you're wrong because ..."

and then we would talk until I was convinced that he is town. But the way he approached that on posts 32~36 seemed like an overreaction, almost as if I had put him on L-1.

So you either talk it through until you think he's town, or he responds irreverently (as he did) and it also makes you think he's town. Is there any case where you might consider him scum?

I would consider the slot scum if he arguably prolonged his meta defense without showing any emotional traits. Because if he's caught on D1 as scum, it would make more sense for him to stay calm and walk the path out of my FoS, emulating Town!Luciano in the logical sense (as I mentioned earlier), as he is a competent player to do that. Now, being frustrated with you and disengaging by the votes seems to me to be something completely opposite to the scenario that I imagine Scum!Luciano acting, as it demonstrates perceptible levels of suspicion that would be obvious and would probably leverage a wagon on him.

[farside22]

scum reads on valoneast for the trying to play newb card, klick following zulfy reads as scum too.
I don't know whether to take hotoc seriously or not.

I'm undecided about clidd

vote: klick

[clidd]

Evidently, I am speculating according to my personal interpretation of him, so it is very likely that you will disagree with me. But I don't think it's so healthy to press his slot right now, because I feel it will be more beneficial if he has space to work with us in building reads, at least until we can evaluate him better, assuming he will live the transition from D1~D2 .

[Klick]

Defensiveness and frustration isn't an alignment-indicative trait.

On their own, no.
Scum definitely hate being caught for the wrong reasons, though.

[farside22]

Defensiveness and frustration isn't an alignment-indicative trait.

On their own, no.
Scum definitely hate being caught for the wrong reasons, though.

Town doesn't think a player is scummy for trying to paint them as scum for something they do as town?
Since when?

[clidd]

At the moment, I am concerned about this pool: {Persivul, Hoctac, Umlaut}, I would like the opinion of someone who knows/has played with them.

[Klick]

Defensiveness and frustration isn't an alignment-indicative trait.

On their own, no.
Scum definitely hate being caught for the wrong reasons, though.

Town doesn't think a player is scummy for trying to paint them as scum for something they do as town?
Since when?

That sort of self-centered mindset comes more from scum than town in my experience.
Is being wrong a scumtell?

[Umlaut]

Defensiveness and frustration isn't an alignment-indicative trait.

Persivul is still a scummy boy.

Since when do you actually think Persivul is scummy (as opposed to just lolwagon voting him on page 1)?

[farside22]

At the moment, I am concerned about this pool: {Persivul, Hoctac, Umlaut}, I would like the opinion of someone who knows/has played with them.

Played with persivul. Right now just a null read.

Defensiveness and frustration isn't an alignment-indicative trait.

On their own, no.
Scum definitely hate being caught for the wrong reasons, though.

Town doesn't think a player is scummy for trying to paint them as scum for something they do as town?
Since when?

That sort of self-centered mindset comes more from scum than town in my experience.
Is being wrong a scumtell?

People are reactionary regardless of alignment. That isn't self-centered, that is hey why are you scum reading me on something I did before.
I've seen it from both alignments.

[Klick]

It's not about being reactionary - it's about what Lucky is reacting against.

At this point it has been well-established that clidd's initial claim about Lucky's early play wasn't accurate. Lucky reacted against that.
The question now is, was that reaction from Lucky-town who knows clidd used bad reasoning to come to an incorrect conclusion, or was it from Lucky-scum who knows clidd used bad reasoning to come to a

correct

conclusion?
I believe the evidence makes the latter likely. He's going 'what? this looks just like my town game!' That level of awareness of how you're playing like your town game would definitely come from scum. It wouldn't necessarily happen if one were town. Hence, I think leaves Lucky as >rand scum for the time being.

[clidd]

Farside, do you see any features that catch your eye in Persival's scum/town game or does he always play to the same standard ?