Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.22

Target	Wagon
Cycle Men (6)	NorwegianboyEE (155), Deimos27 (588), Isis (614), Elements (659), Green Crayons (720), Firebringer (721)
Firebringer (2)	Cycle Men (152), votato (548)
NorwegianboyEE (2)	Looker (456), Alisae (647)
Deimos27 (1)	Albert B. Rampage (391)
Elements (1)	humaneatingmonkey (663)
Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-08 06:42:59).

[NorwegianboyEE]

Joins same wagon as his scumreads (me + Deimos) then tries to get off/derail the momentum on cycle men wagon.

Also this is an incredibly sloppy hitjob.

Obviously I'm not 4/4 out of my scumreads, especially when we have no flips yet, so the fact that some of them are voting someone who I find most worthy of a vote shouldn't (and doesn't) affect my developing suspicions.

A whooping 3 of those you believe to be scum joined a wagon on Cycle Men. (Yes, scum. You didn't say scumleans) Yet you just changed your mind apparently.

[Green Crayons]

Joins same wagon as his scumreads (me + Deimos) then tries to get off/derail the momentum on cycle men wagon.

Also this is an incredibly sloppy hitjob.

Obviously I'm not 4/4 out of my scumreads, especially when we have no flips yet, so the fact that some of them are voting someone who I find most worthy of a vote shouldn't (and doesn't) affect my developing suspicions.

I mean:

If one of them flips scum i'd probably change the rest of my suspects based on the knowledge that X was scum. People that try to catch the entire scumteam in early D1 are usually not correct in the slightest.

You're not good at pushing bad cases.

[Green Crayons]

A whooping 3 of those you believe to be scum joined a wagon on Cycle Men. (

Yes, scum. You didn't say scumleans

) Yet you just changed your mind apparently.

I literally loled. It was a small chuckle, but I did it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're not good at pushing bad cases.

Now you're just doing cheap attempts at discredit. I've let you be on me for so long because i was looking for concrete proofs you are scum. And the way you've been playing around the wagons so far has been scummy as fuck.

[Green Crayons]

Please, someone, tell me I'm not confirmbiasing this bad case as scummy.

I mean, he has still yet to vote me, but is plenty happy to try to get others to.

[Green Crayons]

haha he's asking you to get off

I see you.

[Green Crayons]

what am i at rn

haha he's asking you to get off

I mean

bit harsh to whoever this clemency guy is

Are you purposely not doing anything so that you don't leave any associations to your partners after you're lynched?

[Cycle Men]

oh no im simply not worried about getting lynched

[Elements]

someone hammer without warning, it'll be funny

[votato]

crayons, actually im with norway here. you are voting someone you didnt scumread before. to be fair i havent put in the legwork to check your iso and see if theres evidence of a progression, but im willing to bet that there isnt since many of the people you scumread are on the wagon youre voting. im fine with a crayon or elements wagon. maybe a looker wagon, but meh. or a firebringer wagon. ABR, what do you make of firebringer?

[Green Crayons]

to be fair i havent put in the legwork to check your iso and see if theres evidence of a progression, but im willing to bet that there isnt since many of the people you scumread are on the wagon youre voting.

ugh you are a troll

[Green Crayons]

oh no im simply not worried about getting lynched

Not sure how anyone is supposed to see this as town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Cycle Men

VOTE: Cycle Men

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Firebringer

Hey bae how r u

[Albert B. Rampage]

Die scum

[Deimos27]

Everyone else is town. Except Norwee who I am going to torture. And some people who are hard to figure out.

I don't think Clemency ever plays mafia in a readable way so it makes plenty of sense to advance to playing the 11p it kind of already will be.

Let me get this straight:
You prefer to lynch Clemency because he's unreadable rather than lynching Norwegian whom you actually scumlean and would thereby FYPOV have a higher probability of flipping red? You know that if Clem turns out to be town this'll reflect really badly on you, right?

I want to change my vote and I've decided on
VOTE: cycle men
for their atrocious entrance.

Their entrance was 1 000 000% their meta and not remotely AI.
Why are people joining the wagon without engaging my reasoning? Do you agree or disagree and why?

could someone summarize the clemency case for me? im sorta null on the slot... maybe worth a wagon? but i dont see why we are at L-1 and attempting to hammer.

My 588 was the most comprehensive attempt at a case. Look at entry 5 under the wagon analysis spoiler. Then get back to me on whether he's still null for you.

and i see literally nothing in clemency's iso to merit a wagon or really anything other than a null read, unless yall are doing some meta analysis that i missed. whats is goings on?

Deimos, Isis, and Looker have all said things about Cycle Men that, together, looked right for a vote.

I scumread him. Isis said he's unreadable. These are directly in contradiction with each other and you can't use their conjunction as evidence for your vote; you have to pick one. Are you now townreading me?

[Green Crayons]

Are you now townreading me?

lol, no, you're back to null.

My reason to vote you loses much of its luster when you were V/LA and that was a legitimate reason explaining your pbp catch up presence, which led to a deficit in what looked to me like legitimate hunting.

We'll see where you go from here.

[Green Crayons]

I scumread him. Isis said he's unreadable

Your premises is incorrect. I read her commentary as saying that his playstyle in this game is indicative of being scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you now townreading me?

lol, no, you're back to null.

My reason to vote you loses much of its luster when you were V/LA and that was a legitimate reason explaining your pbp catch up presence, which led to a deficit in what looked to me like legitimate hunting.

We'll see where you go from here.

"We’ll see where you go from here."
Yeah right. Is thinly veiled threats your scum specialty? And did you consider that using activity as your only measurement of scum hunting is a shitty tactic. And one scum loves to push because it’s an easy target?

[Green Crayons]

And did you consider that using activity as your only measurement of scum hunting is a shitty tactic.

His level of activity isn't why I suspected him.

You're really horrible at this.

[Green Crayons]

Is thinly veiled threats your scum specialty?

After buddying with Isis, you're now defending Deimos with really bad characterizations of what I said.

Again, you're really bad at this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Typical 2002’er acting with a superiority complex. "Ur bad at this." "Lol ur bad at this."
Like a damn robot. So predictable and sad.

[Isis]

Norwee is wrong, Looker is right. It's alignment indicative

I got real confused by what you’ve been saying on Alisae. Are you saying that my conclusion which is "Alisae can be aggressive as town." is wrong?

"It's equally likely Alisae will be aggressive as town as e will be as scum" is wrong.
Mafia is a probabilistic game, you can't find things that guarantee someone is scum, just things that make it more likely.

And the post before this one or whatever: it can be correct play to lynch you after Cycle Men, even if you have a higher likelihood of flipping red right now, if it's not possible Cycle Men will ever do anything to change my mind and there's some potential that you will.