Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[Deimos27]

Are you now townreading me?

lol, no, you're back to null.

My reason to vote you loses much of its luster when you were V/LA and that was a legitimate reason explaining your pbp catch up presence, which led to a deficit in what looked to me like legitimate hunting.

We'll see where you go from here.

I'm going to need you to explain your vote in more detail then, because you were ambivalent about my reasoning apart from the wagon analysis bit, which was fundamentally predicated on town!Deimos = True, as you seemed to admit already in 783 ("if you assume Deimos is town..."). How is it then that my wagon analysis is what convinced you most?

[Green Crayons]

lol so now we're trying to make it look like I'm attacking you in an ad hom so you can play the victim.

you're bad at being scum because you're being so scummy in this push.

[Green Crayons]

Are you now townreading me?

lol, no, you're back to null.

My reason to vote you loses much of its luster when you were V/LA and that was a legitimate reason explaining your pbp catch up presence, which led to a deficit in what looked to me like legitimate hunting.

We'll see where you go from here.

I'm going to need you to explain your vote in more detail then, because you were ambivalent about my reasoning apart from the wagon analysis bit, which was fundamentally predicated on town!Deimos = True, as you seemed to admit already in 783 ("if you assume Deimos is town..."). How is it then that my wagon analysis is what convinced you most?

Because I'm a big believer in wagon analysis, so I'm willing to assume you're town for the sake of a wagon analysis in D1 because it's better than the other options available.

[Green Crayons]

^^^ To be clear, if I didn't move you to null I wouldn't assume you were town just for the sake of a wagon analysis, but I also probably wouldn't have unvoted you.

[Green Crayons]

I'm willing to assume you're town for the sake of a wagon analysis

I've been burned for doing this before, but it wasn't in D1 and was later in the game, which was particularly dumb of me. But I'm more comfortable doing it here given it's D1.

[Isis]

@Isis: What snark? Can you show me where?

It's crazy how unpredictable they are. It's like you schedule this effort-intensive mafia game, and then a random exam comes out of nowhere.

This was sarcasm, which I'm not sure I've ever seen from you.

The rest of your post was edgier in general but that part was the most remarkable departure, to me.

[votato]

@deimos: 588 isnt even your post. and your iso is full of annoyingly long posts that i really dont wanna go into.

@game: sorry, this game is kinda dead and im having a hard time putting in high levels of effort. especially since the only wagon seems to be shit and the content is mostly a pissing contest.

@crayons: yes i can be a troll. thanks for noticing. im gonna take your refusal to find an example as proof that im right. now i dont even need to go check. thanks.

@abr: thanks for sheeping my wagon. I guarantee good times and a more interesting thread in the pages ahead. real quick tho: why did you go from sheeping FB to voting him?

@everyone, no UR bad. also, ur mom. got em.

[Isis]

I really object to the notion that Looker's playstyle doesn't meet the standard to be sortable. It's possibly more difficult to sort than some people's natural style but there's always enough there that you could sort it if you were smart enough. I think categorizing him with people who never care enough about winning their games to be sortable would be gross and I don't think you should ask people to adopt a totally different way of playing

obviously I am still catching up

[Isis]

You get one joke per game.

Scalia's signature sarcasm in every post, tho

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.23

Target	Wagon
Cycle Men (6)	NorwegianboyEE (155), Deimos27 (588), Isis (614), Elements (659), Green Crayons (720), Firebringer (721)
Firebringer (3)	Cycle Men (152), votato (548), Albert B. Rampage (813)
NorwegianboyEE (2)	Looker (456), Alisae (647)
Elements (1)	humaneatingmonkey (663)
Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-08 06:42:59).

[Isis]

I scumread him. Isis said he's unreadable

Your premises is incorrect. I read her commentary as saying that his playstyle in this game is indicative of being scum.

Deimos's characterization is closer to the truth. I could reason he's infinitesmaly (sp?) more likely to be scum off what he's posted, but mostly he's just unreadable. I've seen him be town with horrific isos, and read a game where he was lyncher and never provided enough that anyone had any chance of figuring that out.

Deimos doesn't seem to think it's optimal play to kill unreadable players first, but I think it is. Intuitively I feel like that's even truer in nightless but I can't math out a proof and maybe it's tied with nightful (of course, you often see people argue it becomes suboptimal in a closed setup with a high likelihood of providing a vig)

[Isis]

Does anyone have more context for how they expect ABR to play? I thought I heard he was like, good at mafia, but his participation here is bizarre at best.

I am wondering whether we should lynch him on an expectation he rolled scum with people he didn't want to cooperate with or something.

Obviously I don't have remarkably compelling reasons to want to lynch him, but he's not posting much you can work with any which way.

The last naked vote was on an UTR (by my casual tally), hard to view that as redeeming

[Green Crayons]

Oh, well then that's just a policy lynch reason which I don't agree with.

You think he's going to be completely unreadable all game or won't get replaced?

[Firebringer]

Does anyone have more context for how they expect ABR to play? I thought I heard he was like, good at mafia, but his participation here is bizarre at best.

he will put in effort eventually

[votato]

Does anyone have more context for how they expect ABR to play? I thought I heard he was like, good at mafia, but his participation here is bizarre at best.

I am wondering whether we should lynch him on an expectation he rolled scum with people he didn't want to cooperate with or something.

Obviously I don't have remarkably compelling reasons to want to lynch him, but he's not posting much you can work with any which way.

The last naked vote was on an UTR (by my casual tally), hard to view that as redeeming

abr will contribute more later. my understanding and experience is that he lurks early, and then at some point he'll see something and go nuts. and i dont like your reasoning here either.

[Firebringer]

since no one is gonna hammer cycle men.

u all have to live with that:

VOTE: Votato

[votato]

since no one is gonna hammer cycle men.

u all have to live with that:

VOTE: Votato

why? same reasoning as before? why unvote me? why come back to me?

[Firebringer]

i never voted u before.

[votato]

and why so eager for a hammer? you really dont like day 1 do you?

[votato]

in that case, why didnt you vote me before? you thought i was scum, right?

[Firebringer]

i was voting deimos.

and i am eager for hammer because we should get to day 2.

[Firebringer]

i don't tr cycle men, fine with a lynch to see a flip.

I don't like drawing out a game day for ages.

[votato]

one last question: why are you scum?

[Firebringer]

i was raised in a broken home

[NorwegianboyEE]

Freudian excuse eh?