Mini Normal 2138 | Fungi Mafia | Game Over!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwe are you just scum who knows the scum kill was stopped?

I was thinking about what someone else said. They said scum could have been blocked. But yes, could have been doctor. Or anything else.

[Elements]

bah
http://rebloggy.com/post/art-puns-axolotl/37688400856

[Churros]

I can't find a SINGLE reason to night kill Elems if they didn't know he was mason and I kinda doubt that they knew he was mason.

He was pushing Peter Pan/Proffi.

Surely there were better people to kill if it was to remove pressure from them? Killing a lurker is particularly not useful on that, if anything.

I can't make sense of why mafia would kill him. But at the same time, I feel doubtful about being wrong in all my current reads.

[Zantetsu]

We should kill the mouse.
One of Jake/Peter Pan most likely lead to a counterwagon by scum yesterday.

Explain this please. Are you saying that a scum most likely lead a counterwagon off of popop onto Peter Pan and then Jake?

[Churros]

I'm removing Alch from my town reads for now.

It's got nothing to do with the fruit thingy.

[Alchemist21]

I'm removing Alch from my town reads for now.

It's got nothing to do with the fruit thingy.

Aww why?

[Churros]

If I'm wrong on one of my TRs at this moment, it's probably you.

I can consider putting you in town lean after re:reading your ISO, but not my top TRs at this moment.

[Zantetsu]

Alch you don't seem to have received any fruit

Are you ascestic?

How did you know that a) he should have received fruit, and b) he didn't receive fruit?

[NorwegianboyEE]

We should kill the mouse.
One of Jake/Peter Pan most likely lead to a counterwagon by scum yesterday.

Explain this please. Are you saying that a scum most likely lead a counterwagon off of popop onto Peter Pan and then Jake?

No i mistyped a bit. What i was trying to say is that i believe one of Popopopopo or Peter Pan was derailed by means of counterwagon. If Peter Pan it was most likely Jake, if Popopo it was most likely Peter Pan.
But Peter Pan wagon feels less strong to me than the initial Popopo wagon which i had much more faith in.

[Alchemist21]

Alch you don't seem to have received any fruit

Are you ascestic?

How did you know that a) he should have received fruit, and b) he didn't receive fruit?

Lmao

What are these questions? Especially A.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also consider Elements voted Peter Pan. If Ele was a scum kill it could be a framing attempt maybe? But Elements had a really weak ISO so maybe there’s not much to say about it.

[Zantetsu]

I don't understand how you aren't confused by Elems being the possible NK here.

Why would you say that I am not confused by Elem being the possible NK?

[Luna Fox]

Why is the first thing we're doing today NKA?

[Churros]

I thought I had a ok grasp of the game even if Jake flipped town for any reason but this makes me doubt it if it wasn't a vigilante shot.

Please talk me through the scenario where the Elements kill was a vig shot. You are good with setup analysis, please walk me through how that works.

My fruit was blocked on Alch.

He claimed non-ascestic.

If the vigilante killed elements, it means that scum kill got blocked, which is probably either:

1) by a doctor
2) by a jailkeeper

It could be a roleblocker, but town roleblocker is rather uncommon from my experience, and it's even harder to block kills with a RB than with either a doctor/JK shoot.

I feel it's either a doctor or jailkeeper, but both a doctor and jailkeeper with one mason already flipped feels unlikely, and my Alch fruit, again, was blocked.

Considering all that...I would say... (considering a vigilante)

1) Doctor saved someone, scum RB'd me.

2) Jailkeeper jailed Alch, which means either he was saved, or he was the mafioso about to make the NK

3) Alch is lying and is ascestic therefore mafia.

4) Either Alch was jailed or me RB'd but Elements was nightkilled by mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is the first thing we're doing today NKA?

I’m also doing wagon analyzis.
Popopo is suspect. Wanna join?

[Churros]

I don't understand how you aren't confused by Elems being the possible NK here.

Why would you say that I am not confused by Elem being the possible NK?

You found weird me being confused. I'm not shading you either with this.

I'm playing naturally and you're telling me there's something off, but there's nothing off in my opinion.

About linking the wolf game, it was to show the difference between there vs here.

[Luna Fox]

Elements was a null read for me, so if anything scum did me a favor eliminating more potential PoE from my reads. And there's several reasons why he could've been killed that you're probably never gonna find the right answer.
Now if a 1-shot vigi did kill him then they'll eventually claim, otherwise they wont, there's no need for a call to attention to it.

[Peter Pan]

luke warm take: jake and I were responses to a wagon on scum!popop

VOTE: popopopopopopopo

[Zantetsu]

Alch you don't seem to have received any fruit

Are you ascestic?

How did you know that a) he should have received fruit, and b) he didn't receive fruit?

Lmao

What are these questions? Especially A.

Sorry man, I have never played with a fruit vendor role before. Also I just don't understand the question "Alch you don't seem to have received any fruit", I mean it just doesn't make ANY sense to me, and I don't want to assume too much. I want to understand what Churros was getting at.

pedit: Churros -- how do you know your fruit was blocked? My read of the wiki does not indicate that the fruit vendor would be told whether or not their fruit was delivered.

pedit 2: Churros, it's not that I found you being confused weird. It's weird to me that you would think out loud so much, I don't know, I find that tonally off.

[Churros]

Luna I can't tell if you're being silly or if you're being scummy because of your win con.

What part of mafia eliminating an universal null/lurker is beneficial when if our pools are mostly right they should have eliminated someone already town read/with more presence/etc.

It has a big chance of meaning our reads are wrong and mafia doesn't see most of us as a threat, consider that while going on today at least.

I agree there may be a minor enigmatic reason for the kill though and it's enough speculation for today unless a vigilante steps forward.

[Luna Fox]

I mean, mafia knows who they are, and they probably saw a town lurking as a sign of being a PR trying to not stand out too much. Sometimes they do that, or at least they used to do that years ago.
This is also the first time I see someone go "OMG A LURKER WAS KILLED RING ALL THE ALARMS"

[Churros]

Alch you don't seem to have received any fruit

Are you ascestic?

How did you know that a) he should have received fruit, and b) he didn't receive fruit?

Lmao

What are these questions? Especially A.

Sorry man, I have never played with a fruit vendor role before. Also I just don't understand the question "Alch you don't seem to have received any fruit", I mean it just doesn't make ANY sense to me, and I don't want to assume too much. I want to understand what Churros was getting at.

pedit: Churros -- how do you know your fruit was blocked? My read of the wiki does not indicate that the fruit vendor would be told whether or not their fruit was delivered.

pedit 2: Churros, it's not that I found you being confused weird. It's weird to me that you would think out loud so much, I don't know, I find that tonally off.

You may not be versed around here but it's common sense in this site to claim if you received a fruit with your first post. When Alch didn't, I found it weird and directly confronted him about it.

What do you mean by..."thinking out loud"? I do have things I've not been saying on thread, they are on my notes PT, but there's no reason for more secrecy than necessary?

Didn't I hold on saying my wolf reads for half day 1 anyway?

[Churros]

I mean, mafia knows who they are, and they probably saw a town lurking as a sign of being a PR trying to not stand out too much. Sometimes they do that, or at least they used to do that years ago.
This is also the first time I see someone go "OMG A LURKER WAS KILLED RING ALL THE ALARMS"

No one would confuse Elements with a PR because of lurking. Just stop.

Elements being killed here is an alarm ring to me, that either mafia is extremely clever, extremely silly/lucky or that no one of us is much of a threat to them at the moment.

Regardless, whatever for now.

[Churros]

I'll try my best to ignore how much I find Luna scummy individually despiste her meta saying she's town here, and how weird I find a Elems kill, and keep my reads that I had in Night 1.

[Luna Fox]

I'll try my best to ignore how much I find Luna scummy individually despiste her meta saying she's town here, and how weird I find a Elems kill, and keep my reads that I had in Night 1.

What meta lol.