SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[Quick]

I might do more work later, but right now I am about as caught up as I want to be.

https://youtu.be/ntfCjgZO2aQ

[Covid 19]

Day 1 VC #22

Auro (0):
Hoctac (2): davesaz (298), Tchill13 (312)
5G Tower (0):
Vecna (2): Nero Cain (45), Alchemist21 (124)
No łynch (0):
Alchemist21 (0):
Elements (1): No łynch (543)
Flavor Leaf (0):
farside22 (1): Quick (584)
EspeciallyTheLies (2): mastina (397), Hoctac (398)
mastina (4): Saudade (429), Auro (435), EspeciallyTheLies (436), Elements (540)
Miss Lynch (0):
Tchill13 (1): farside22 (319)
Saudade (1): 50 Judge Powers (496)
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (7): momo, 5G Tower, Jake the Wolfie, Aristophanes, Flavor Leaf (449), Miss Lynch (489), Vecna (531)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch a player.

This phase will end on May 19, 2020 1:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2020-05-19 13:00:00).

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2.

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3.

No lynch is an option. To ensure no confusion occurs between not lynching and lynching No łynch, you absolutely MUST spell "No łynch" exactly like that with the special character.

4. MathBlade's automated votecounter doesn't appear to track No Lynch votes properly. I'm still waiting for a response from him.
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6. Quick and Aristophanes replace Allan90 and Odelschwanck respectively.
7. momo has (expired on 2020-05-07 11:00:00) to post before I seek a replacement.

[farside22]

OMG FARSIDE!!!

It's been so long! How are you!? =D

Hi ari!
Its nice to see you. Please tell me your town and sane.

Absolutely! Well, is Sanity is question? That's interesting. Or like IRL? Because literally nothing has changed for me really lol

I hope you are doing well <3

Nothing like that. Just a weird game. Lots of hops on wagons. People following others. Meme? Still not sure what that conversation was about.

Irl i wrote stuff in general about stuff i went though. I will link it later if you want to read.

What weird roles?

Hoctac and 5G Tower. But I could be wrong.

Why do you thin they have weird roles? All i see is weird personalities.

Town read on mastina

[mastina]

1) how you can have that many reads so early if it's serious?

How could I not?

People have posted. Almost the entire playerlist in fact.

You can develop reads off of as little as one post--when almost every slot in the game has

more

than one post, and I have experience with a fair number of these players, again. How could I

not

have serious reads on them?

The scumreads are, rather notably, much much much weaker compared to the opposite-end-of-the-scale townreads, because it is much easier to get good early townreads than good early scumreads, but overall all of the reads (especially the town ones) pretty much all feel good, all feel

right

.

...Plus. I'm pretty much a player whose strength lies in pretty much the beginning, or very end, of the game with almost no in-between. If I am good in the earlygame I won't be good in the midgame and frequently won't be good in the lategame with me having done all the good I will do; if I am good in the lategame, it's because I sucked ass in the midgame and probably am alive only through having been trash in the earlygame too.

But, being good in the earlygame is happening to me much much much more often than anything else because, I dunno. Just ease of getting reads easily? Heck if I know where the success comes from, it just

does

.

[mastina]

Seeking replacements for Allan90 and Odelschwanck who failed to confirm.

momo might be added to the list of possible scum for this off of the virtue of momo having confirmed (thus, not getting replaced), but not being replaced in spite of not having posted at all.

[mastina]

ETL looks pretty townie? High post count and is ACTUALLY excited. But now they are serious.

I'd say "effort != alignment", but that'd be a bit disingenuous of me considering that in this case I happen to think that the effort does have an impact on alignment--a

negative

one, so I should instead say:
Effort != town.

[mastina]

Have I missed anything good?

Game's short enough that you should be able to read it. There's not much in the way of super-critical content so I'd be okay if you heavily skimmed the 25ish pages of said content, but I'd still prefer you do said skim; it'd make me feel much better about your slot to see you go through that effort.

[Quick]

What weird roles?

Hoctac and 5G Tower. But I could be wrong.

Why do you thin they have weird roles? All i see is weird personalities.

Town read on mastina

I think it was 5G that voted like 6 times in one post. They both operate similarly and both have similar avatars and both accounts created in mid-late April.

[Quick]

ETL looks pretty townie? High post count and is ACTUALLY excited. But now they are serious.

I'd say "effort != alignment", but that'd be a bit disingenuous of me considering that in this case I happen to think that the effort does have an impact on alignment--a

negative

one, so I should instead say:
Effort != town.

What makes you think I was talking about effort?

[mastina]

People are generally more inconsistent then they are consisted. This is no different in Mafia. So you are operating under false presuppositions.

For the record, I do think that this Quick is

probably

more likely to be town than scum at this point, but I'm not really sure because it's mostly based off of a pretty stupid reason of, "I don't think Quick gets into an argument of what amounts to semantics* like this if scum".

*Not the best choice of words, but conveys the thought I am more or less thinking of, that Quick engaging in a trivial thing like that which isn't really important, made me think Quick's more likely to be town than not. Which, again, is a pretty stupid reason but hey, I'm fine with it.

[Quick]

People are generally more inconsistent then they are consisted. This is no different in Mafia. So you are operating under false presuppositions.

For the record, I do think that this Quick is

probably

more likely to be town than scum at this point, but I'm not really sure because it's mostly based off of a pretty stupid reason of, "I don't think Quick gets into an argument of what amounts to semantics* like this if scum".

*Not the best choice of words, but conveys the thought I am more or less thinking of, that Quick engaging in a trivial thing like that which isn't really important, made me think Quick's more likely to be town than not. Which, again, is a pretty stupid reason but hey, I'm fine with it.

Okay.

Why is it not important? I was discussing the validity of a read.

[mastina]

Aristophanes town

Eh, Ari's alignment will become incredibly obvious once he does his catch-up, and right now he hasn't done anything which is outside of his scum range--but that said? I'm venturing a

guess

that you're right. It's just a wild guess, purely gut, no real backing at all because again, Ari hasn't done anything really alignment-indicative

yet

, and we'll have a much better idea once he does catch up, but hey I'm willing to run with a guess!

[5G Tower]

Who puts down multiple votes in the same post?

Why did you vote Hoctac if you don’t like the wagon?

I can dislike the wagon while being on it.

[5G Tower]

No Lynch and Miss Lynch are players!?!? Lmfao

Also kudos to 5g towers! That shit's funny

Oh how I love my fans!

[Quick]

No Lynch and Miss Lynch are players!?!? Lmfao

Also kudos to 5g towers! That shit's funny

Oh how I love my fans!

Do you have any reads?

[mastina]

@mastina, flesh out your FL read because that cannot be read at this point IMO.

I'm honestly not sure how to. It's basically just, what I think based off of FL being FL. He's not being hyper-invested in this game, not being hyper-active, not being hyper-strong, whatever you'd like to say.

So given that, there's two possible worlds:
FL is not invested as town,
Or FL is not invested as scum.

Those two are the only two scenarios possible here, because FL is self-evidently not strongly invested (at least not yet).

FL has gotten sick of drawing scum, so there's a precedent for him possibly not being invested as scum--

however

, even when FL is sick of drawing scum, my memory is that he's usually still more active than he is in this game even with him having drawn an alignment he's tired of playing. More than that, I'm not even sure he's tired of drawing scum anymore, because it's been a while since he constantly rolled scum, and that break might've been enough to reset the metric and make him no longer sick of it.

Between those things, I more or less think it far more likely that FL is just not invested as town, because FL as town

can

have games where he's not very invested. It's not an absolute though because I obviously could be mistaken about things regarding FL. Life circumstances, his mindset, his attitude, the exact specifics of his meta, etc. There's lots of things which make the theory not absolute, thus, not a stronger townread but enough of a townread where I don't think he needs focus any time soon.

[Alchemist21]

Who puts down multiple votes in the same post?

Why did you vote Hoctac if you don’t like the wagon?

I can dislike the wagon while being on it.

Why did you join the wagon?

[5G Tower]

No Lynch and Miss Lynch are players!?!? Lmfao

Also kudos to 5g towers! That shit's funny

Oh how I love my fans!

Do you have any reads?

I can politely point you to my big ass post that came right before you got in:

zzz...SupPeeps.jpg...zzz

Spoiler:

Let's just infect each other :3

I couldn't have said it better myself!
I want to give every one in the world my 5Gs.
My Gratitude, Generosity, Gifts, Grace, and of course Gravy. I make a mean Pepper Gravy.

zzz...Global Genocide...zzz

Now, onto my reading of the game.
EspeciallyTheLies was giving me hard WIFOM vibes in the beginning.
The mod question felt contrived as a way to get town sympathy.
Then they got oddly aggressive. No thanks.
VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

I've got a bad feeling about Vecna, can't really place it. Dude just is giving me the heeby-jeebies.

Jeez, ETL's anger is tiring.

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

Lol who uses capitals to emphasize their text? it honestly makes me not wanna read it. So

zzz...Global Genocide...zzz

I won't.

Bermuda bahama come on pretty mama

I've got a cousin in Bermuda, they're doing great work for the fight!

Sorry, no one here knows the 5G conspiracy. I have already tested it.

VOTE: 5G
I am disappointed that none voted this. Don't you know what is the main cause of covid-2019?

You weren't kidding. These sheep have no idea how big of a threat I am!
VOTE: 5G Tower

I highly recommend Community. It recently hit Netflix and is a particularly good show, IMO.

Can't just ignore Community love, one of the best!

zzz...Pop Pop...zzz

OMG, ETL's sarcastic reaction to the toxicity. Ew. Then an apology. Ew. Pick a side.
VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

VOTE: No lynch

His name and avatar stir a wave of anger deep within me to boiling.

I know this feeling all too well.

Fuck, this is disappointing, they're town.
UNVOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

I don't like the Hoctac wagon.
VOTE: Hoctac

I am not open to lynching No Lynch.
Oh and I will not do a no lynch.

zzz...Power Growing...zzz

Down for Mastina wagon possibly

[Quick]

@mastina, flesh out your FL read because that cannot be read at this point IMO.

I'm honestly not sure how to. It's basically just, what I think based off of FL being FL. He's not being hyper-invested in this game, not being hyper-active, not being hyper-strong, whatever you'd like to say.

So given that, there's two possible worlds:
FL is not invested as town,
Or FL is not invested as scum.

Those two are the only two scenarios possible here, because FL is self-evidently not strongly invested (at least not yet).

FL has gotten sick of drawing scum, so there's a precedent for him possibly not being invested as scum--

however

, even when FL is sick of drawing scum, my memory is that he's usually still more active than he is in this game even with him having drawn an alignment he's tired of playing. More than that, I'm not even sure he's tired of drawing scum anymore, because it's been a while since he constantly rolled scum, and that break might've been enough to reset the metric and make him no longer sick of it.

Between those things, I more or less think it far more likely that FL is just not invested as town, because FL as town

can

have games where he's not very invested. It's not an absolute though because I obviously could be mistaken about things regarding FL. Life circumstances, his mindset, his attitude, the exact specifics of his meta, etc. There's lots of things which make the theory not absolute, thus, not a stronger townread but enough of a townread where I don't think he needs focus any time soon.

Put a percentage on FL being Town for me.

[Saudade]

can anyone with a history with mastina tell if mastina always puts so much effort into her scum games

[5G Tower]

I joined the wagon originally because I don't like people who get seriously angry on MS.
Why waste the time you have left being angry.
My waves penetrate more and more every day.
Everyone should be worried.

[mastina]

ETL looks pretty townie? High post count and is ACTUALLY excited. But now they are serious.

I'd say "effort != alignment", but that'd be a bit disingenuous of me considering that in this case I happen to think that the effort does have an impact on alignment--a

negative

one, so I should instead say:
Effort != town.

What makes you think I was talking about effort?

Eh, not effort exactly, but your reasons were "high post count" (not town indicative for ETL and can sometimes be the opposite; if I remember correctly, ETL can have lurkfest games as town but is always hyper-active as scum*) and "being actually excited"--something which in this game I'd call null-at-best, with the very real chance of it being scum-indicative.

And it's simpler to roll those two up into my stereotypical phrase, of effort != alignment (or in this case, effort != town).

*And before ETL can point out that she has hyper-active games as town, my post isn't saying she doesn't. It's saying she's

always

hyper-active as scum, whereas she's not ALWAYS hyper-active as town even if she's hyper-active as town most games.

[5G Tower]

zzz...Increasing Numbers 0101010...zzz

[Quick]

No Lynch and Miss Lynch are players!?!? Lmfao

Also kudos to 5g towers! That shit's funny

Oh how I love my fans!

Do you have any reads?

I can politely point you to my big ass post that came right before you got in:

zzz...SupPeeps.jpg...zzz

Spoiler:

Let's just infect each other :3

I couldn't have said it better myself!
I want to give every one in the world my 5Gs.
My Gratitude, Generosity, Gifts, Grace, and of course Gravy. I make a mean Pepper Gravy.

zzz...Global Genocide...zzz

Now, onto my reading of the game.
EspeciallyTheLies was giving me hard WIFOM vibes in the beginning.
The mod question felt contrived as a way to get town sympathy.
Then they got oddly aggressive. No thanks.
VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

I've got a bad feeling about Vecna, can't really place it. Dude just is giving me the heeby-jeebies.

Jeez, ETL's anger is tiring.

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

Lol who uses capitals to emphasize their text? it honestly makes me not wanna read it. So

zzz...Global Genocide...zzz

I won't.

Bermuda bahama come on pretty mama

I've got a cousin in Bermuda, they're doing great work for the fight!

Sorry, no one here knows the 5G conspiracy. I have already tested it.

VOTE: 5G
I am disappointed that none voted this. Don't you know what is the main cause of covid-2019?

You weren't kidding. These sheep have no idea how big of a threat I am!
VOTE: 5G Tower

I highly recommend Community. It recently hit Netflix and is a particularly good show, IMO.

Can't just ignore Community love, one of the best!

zzz...Pop Pop...zzz

OMG, ETL's sarcastic reaction to the toxicity. Ew. Then an apology. Ew. Pick a side.
VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

VOTE: No lynch

His name and avatar stir a wave of anger deep within me to boiling.

I know this feeling all too well.

Fuck, this is disappointing, they're town.
UNVOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

I don't like the Hoctac wagon.
VOTE: Hoctac

I am not open to lynching No Lynch.
Oh and I will not do a no lynch.

zzz...Power Growing...zzz

Down for Mastina wagon possibly

You talked about one person in this post and you didn't even vote for them.

Thanks for the response.

[mastina]

Put a percentage on FL being Town for me.

If the default were 50% for a user, I'd place him at somewhere in the 60-70% range.