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[Saudade]

I made a huge post about it recently. Searching my iso until the first huge wall.

from end or beginning?

[Saudade]

Zantetsu other than being so pretentious you've exhibited very little talent, hush

[Churros]

I made a huge post about it recently. Searching my iso until the first huge wall.

from end or beginning?

End.

Zantetsu other than being so pretentious you've exhibited very little talent, hush

stop trashtalking and simply play, saudade.

[Saudade]

no he wont get away with calling me things

[Zantetsu]

does no one else thinks alch has been fence sitting scum passenger all along???

It is not an unreasonable point of view.

[Saudade]

Mental Wagonomics Gymnastics:

After laying out all the meta case for Jake, he would be found probably scummy to most town players, in my opinion. It was a solid meta case despiste the failed result, and in no point he had played this way as town across more than 5 town games, and in his exact scum game, he had been less active, solvy and stiffer. It matched his play here perfectly.

I was only able to rile up people to vote him, because he looked scummy. That couldn't have been an all scum-wagon, and dare I say, it was a rather quick wagon which I would say comes from how solid the argument seemed to be. However, there's something to consider here.

Even though we thought he was scum coasting as his meta, scum knew from the start he was only lynchbait lurker.

In fact, every bit of what happened here, happened in Large Theme Team Mafia 2020, only now with Elements, and a way less solid case.

Almost every person supporting and being inquisitive about Elements, was town. Mafia knew that he was only lynchbait lurker doing goofy stuff, and wouldn't get blood-eyed about him because they knew he was simply going to flip town. Mafia in those cases often like to take a backseat and let town go in the wrong direction rather than directly rile it up.

Now look at Popop reaction when Jake wagon/argument was coming around:

OH MY LORD THE LAST FEW PAGES WERE A RIDE

churros is based as fuck

I feel this post can be easily faked...aside from the capslock. It may be silly, but the capslock seems to me like he's "impressed" and "excited" and if scum he would simply know I was being silly about the whole thing.

Luna also was inquisitive about Jake, although to a lesser extent, and Fire voted but didn't do much (I don't particularly find negative or positive). Zantetsu seemed to try to hold a conversation with Jake there and be suspecting him, contrast those to this:

(Peter)

Spoiler:

If you've a problem with me putting you in the wall, step up instead of acting indignant towards me.

If you think there is a chance jake is town, and would like to give him an opportunity to show it, you should give him some breathing space.

okie doke my b

please carry on with whatever this is

Elements, how's this game treating you so far?
Having fun?

(Proffi)

Spoiler:

I would consider a spontaneous hammer on Peter Pan to be a scum reveal.

However, if everyone had an equal chance to hammer them, who wouldn't be scumclaiming because of it?

Intent to hammer. Please claim

I dont like your concern about voting in sentence 1 there and if we dont hammer someone we will never move on

popopopopopopo(6) ~ Luna Fox(24), Firebringer(31), Nero Cain(23), NorwegianboyEE(21), Peter Pan(8), profii(15)

Peter Pan(6) ~ Luna Fox(30), Firebringer(47), Zantetsu(45), popopopopopopo(31), Alchemist21(23), Elements(7)

Jake the Wolfie(6) ~ Luna Fox(49), Firebringer(89), Zantetsu(64), popopopopopopo(44), Churros(135), Jake the Wolfie(39)


Some interesting stuff in there.

With popopo on both the other wagons I'm wondering if that suggests scum #2 is trying to make sure that initial wagon doesn't resurface. Going to apply some scrutiny to {Luna/Fire/Zant} - obviously luna and fire will point out they were on the popopo wagon, but if they have some paltry reason for getting off, then that could be an indication of scum imo.

^ Still considering "popop initial wagon was really scummy, maybe every other is a counterwagon" but wanting to end the day in the "counterwagon" Jake.

in the last few games I've played the scum day 1 lynches have had hella low velocity

So to see 3 rapid wagons means we probably arent hitting scum

(Norwe)

Spoiler:

I’m not sure how to feel. On the one hand, Jake’s responses are classic scummy. On the other hand, i still find Churros and Firebringer’s posts a bit weird. Also, why did Firebringer randomly start acting paranoid of Luna? Which posts of theirs prompted this?

thanks, now we know where to hunt tomorrow.

It sounds like you think he is town.

^ has nothing to do with what Nero was originally saying. Maybe jumping the gun.

if we dont hammer someone we will never move on

Agreed.
Self-vote from Jake gives me a bit of a pause from outright condemning him. It might be scum giving up but i don’t see why he would do it and keep defending himself.

if a lynch needs to happen then let it happen.
VOTE: Jake The Wolfie

I don't have a problem with the hammer but norwe didn't seem to me like he believed Jake was likely flipping wolf here. "if a lynch needs to happen" also kind of seems to imply "hey I'm voting because it's the designated wagon ok?".

I really feel at least one scum did flake on showing support, faith or being inquisitive on Jake wagon and I don't see how all of the above can come from town.

Very unlikely to me. It could have a townie there but all town seems very unlikely. Especially given Proffi/Peter/Norwe are grouping for popop lynch, if that means anything.

is that it

[Churros]

yes

[Zantetsu]

Zantetsu other than being so pretentious you've exhibited very little talent, hush

But how would you know unless you knew whether or not my reads were correct?

[Churros]

Saudade is definitely the kind to claim his eggs before the hatch

don't go from that perspective zantetsu

[Saudade]

Zantetsu other than being so pretentious you've exhibited very little talent, hush

But how would you know unless you knew whether or not my reads were correct?

you already lynched one town good work mate

[Zantetsu]

Zantetsu other than being so pretentious you've exhibited very little talent, hush

But how would you know unless you knew whether or not my reads were correct?

you already lynched one town good work mate

Did you see that player? It was good work. A net positive.

[Saudade]

speaking of lynching towns

who do you scumread zantetsu
and who do you townread

[Saudade]

Zantetsu other than being so pretentious you've exhibited very little talent, hush

But how would you know unless you knew whether or not my reads were correct?

you already lynched one town good work mate

Did you see that player? It was good work. A net positive.

You're really walking into me make a fruit salad out of you but I wont

[Saudade]

making*
whatevs

Я люблю играть в мафия

[Churros]

Tell me when you stop the e-peen contest.

[Churros]

This game feels so dumb. I should probably stop with this and stick to jrpgs.

[Saudade]

play dota

[Churros]

VOTE: Norwe

Sorry if wrong Norwe. I hope I'll take back the decision in time if I'm but I don't see it at the moment.

[Churros]

play dota

moba is trash

their graphics are trash
moba players often feel like trying to validate themselves through the game
they are whiny
gameplay is pretty trashy

Now with all of the needlessly passive-aggressive tone of the above statements, I can see why people enjoy mobas but it's not for me.

[Saudade]

moba is about the competition baby

[Zantetsu]

speaking of lynching towns

who do you scumread zantetsu
and who do you townread

Order from towniest to scummiest:

-Town-

Churros
Firebringer
Nero Cain

-Null-

popop
Luna Fox
Saudade

-Scum-

Alchemist
profii
Peter Pan
Norwegianboy

Some of the differences are small, especially in the Nero Cain through Alchemist range.

[Zantetsu]

Now can you state your reads please? I already asked you about profii but you didn't answer.

[Saudade]

I dont have a read on profii

[Saudade]

Churros town alch scum

[Luna Fox]

I guess sheeping the brilliant player will give better results than trying to lynch the scum everyone's townreading.
VOTE: Alchemist