Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[Elements]

Cycle as scum doesn’t really have a motive to challenge the validity of a counter wagon to his lynch.

wait, is this pro scum!cycle?

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.32

Target	Wagon
Cycle Men (4)	Deimos27 (588), humaneatingmonkey (902), Isis (904), Elements (999)
Firebringer (2)	votato (548), Albert B. Rampage (813)
NorwegianboyEE (2)	Looker (456), Green Crayons (1024)
Elements (2)	Cycle Men (1002), Alisae (1021)
humaneatingmonkey (1)	NorwegianboyEE (916)
votato (1)	Firebringer (840)
Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-08 06:42:59).

[humaneatingmonkey]

there is no town motivations in your actions.
town does not play this way.

this isn't really true

[Green Crayons]

?????? how does this happen in a human brain
VOTE: elements

I don’t see how this is scum material from Elements

[humaneatingmonkey]

Cycle as scum doesn’t really have a motive to challenge the validity of a counter wagon to his lynch.

wait, is this pro scum!cycle?

i believe it's a town!cycle consideration

[Alisae]

there is no town motivations in your actions.
town does not play this way.

this isn't really true

town at first reaction to my scumread tries to take this opportunity to sort me and tries to understand why
what elements did was immediately say that my reads are fake and aimed to discredit me

thats a scum response imo

[Cycle Men]

Cycle Men vote Elements

wait i already did

@nsg you missed my vote i think?

votecounts have been corrected, thanks.

-nsg

[Elements]

Cycle as scum doesn’t really have a motive to challenge the validity of a counter wagon to his lynch.

wait, is this pro scum!cycle?

i believe it's a town!cycle consideration

in that case scum!cycle =/= town!gc

[humaneatingmonkey]

unless it's scum!NorwEE and scum!Cycle. He's more willing to get lynched and make up a reason for an alternative vote (me) than to bus NorwEE

[Elements]

if cycle flips scum we get gc town, ail scum, norwee town

lmao ur scum dude
cycle men as scum with me votes you by now

is this a scum slip?

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: Notwegian

nah i don't agree
i don't think norwee thinks im scum but also thinks im annoying at the same time
those are conflicting thought processes

But see:

This wagon is super possible people just need to use their fucking votes

Super possible because you have 2 teammates to vote with you? Or are you referring to something else?

VOTE: Norwegian

This is a scummy attempt to discredit votes against him. First it doesn’t address the reasons for the vote. Second it attacks the vote pusher for a pretty wild conspiracy. Scum block vote for a fast lynch at the end of the game, not on D1.

VOTE: Humaneatingmonkey

A vote because he doesn’t like a policy lynch rationale from someone who was willing to policy lynch. Opportunistic to vote human, after cycle did, based on this thin reed and ignoring everything else.

[Alisae]

like
their first reaction was to discredit me instead of ask me why i scumread them.

they did it after but you ask why I scumread them first to see their answer and try to evaluate an opinion based on that answer.
Instead they came out with an opinion right away before trying to ask me why I scumread them.

Also, they're playing this angle of "Well there's no scum motivation to my play so I have to be town" to try to excuse themselves from being scummy when thats just not how it works. Because there is no town motivation in their actions either.

[Green Crayons]

Oh that’s a double vote because I had started collecting Norg posts on my phone but got distracted

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Notwegian

nah i don't agree
i don't think norwee thinks im scum but also thinks im annoying at the same time
those are conflicting thought processes

this isn't really true. scum!norwee can use ate to discredit town!you as being annoying. town!norwee will say that scum!you is scummy, not annoying

[Alisae]

VOTE: Notwegian

nah i don't agree
i don't think norwee thinks im scum but also thinks im annoying at the same time
those are conflicting thought processes

But see:

This wagon is super possible people just need to use their fucking votes

Super possible because you have 2 teammates to vote with you? Or are you referring to something else?

VOTE: Norwegian

This is a scummy attempt to discredit votes against him. First it doesn’t address the reasons for the vote. Second it attacks the vote pusher for a pretty wild conspiracy. Scum block vote for a fast lynch at the end of the game, not on D1.

VOTE: Humaneatingmonkey

A vote because he doesn’t like a policy lynch rationale from someone who was willing to policy lynch. Opportunistic to vote human, after cycle did, based on this thin reed and ignoring everything else.

Okay but its too flawed to come from scum. One of us flips town and he looks REALLY bad. Scum don't push angles like that.

[Cycle Men]

human suddenly defending elements makes me feel like he never intended to push that way in the first place and is just doing it for the sake of hiding associatives

[Elements]

ok so I'm thinking Ali, cycle, someone not currently active as the scum team.

[Green Crayons]

He’s too scummy to be scum?

Come on.

I’m still trying to mull over Elements.

[Cycle Men]

human suddenly defending elements makes me feel like he never intended to push that way in the first place and is just doing it for the sake of hiding associatives

was just*

[Alisae]

VOTE: Notwegian

nah i don't agree
i don't think norwee thinks im scum but also thinks im annoying at the same time
those are conflicting thought processes

this isn't really true. scum!norwee can use ate to discredit town!you as being annoying. town!norwee will say that scum!you is scummy, not annoying

he's not using AtE.
He is saying that he thinks im scum but also i am annoying him. Like, I basically cornered him and he doesn't know how to react, and acknowledges that I am annoying because deep down in this mind, he thinks that he could be wrong, but he's scumreading me because im just pushing him.

I'm using a lot of words to describe what is essentially a self-defense mechanism, because I know sometimes I can act fairly similarly as well.
I encountered Norwee act this way before and when he did act this way, he was likely town.

Him calling me annoying and asking me to stop just doesn't make sense from a scum PoV there. As scum he just continues to discredit me because he would probably aim to maintain a consistent stance on me.
That post in of itself is an inconsitentcy and I don't think he makes it as scum.
It feels genuine.

[Green Crayons]

One of us flips town and he looks REALLY bad. Scu

Anything to survive a day.

[Elements]

Don't want to comment on your scum slip Ali?

[Alisae]

He’s too scummy to be scum?

Come on.

I’m still trying to mull over Elements.

not too scummy to be scummy
the logic just doesn't work and is faulty

its not rational and its chaotic and reactional, and its probably just town imo

[Alisae]

Don't want to comment on your scum slip Ali?

i mean
anything is possible if you lie

[Green Crayons]

ok so I'm thinking Ali, cycle, someone not currently active as the scum team.

Why Ali?