Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

ISO · Post Post #2475 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 10:26 am

In post 2473, Drixx wrote:The thing is ... there wasn't any reason for the claim to happen when it did ... which is why I actually took a little time to think about it.

In post 1833, Vecna wrote:As for my reveal, my role is literally that im someone's son. Apparently ive disappeared, ran away from home or something, and my dad is most likely being a badass and searching for me. Not sure if that role flavour has any relation to game mechanics or if its just fluff, but I bet its probably reflected in my dads PM in some way.

I know that Vaultdweller is my dad. His name is Eric Matthews, and my role pm confirms him as town to me. It also states he does not know my identity.

I wanted to keep this hidden for as long as possible, especially after it appeared Vaultdweller was taking the lurking approach and was unlikely to be killed early. I figured if I were to die, my role pm would still make him an IC (confirmed by mod in pm). If both of us were to survive to endgame it would significantly increase our chances of winning.

I know this might not townclear me in any way, but it should at least inform your decisions going forward.

I wanted to claim it yesterday after all the trap stuff and people killing eachother left and right to avoid someone accidentally killing a town IC, but then the day was suddenly over.

Vecna seems to have claimed it as a reaction to the way night one went. Could see it coming from scum, but this strongly clears Vault for me.

If it's Vecna's scum fakeclaim, it does make sense that he'd have to claim it early cause if he claimed it after Vault died we'd probably be pretty annoyed and suspicious

but for the same reasoning it makes sense coming from Vecna town. His whole role purpose is to clear Vault and stop him from being lynched or killed by us in a game

Drixx · Post Post #2476 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 1:23 pm

In post 2475, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2473, Drixx wrote:The thing is ... there wasn't any reason for the claim to happen when it did ... which is why I actually took a little time to think about it.
In post 1833, Vecna wrote:As for my reveal, my role is literally that im someone's son. Apparently ive disappeared, ran away from home or something, and my dad is most likely being a badass and searching for me. Not sure if that role flavour has any relation to game mechanics or if its just fluff, but I bet its probably reflected in my dads PM in some way.

I know that Vaultdweller is my dad. His name is Eric Matthews, and my role pm confirms him as town to me. It also states he does not know my identity.

I wanted to keep this hidden for as long as possible, especially after it appeared Vaultdweller was taking the lurking approach and was unlikely to be killed early. I figured if I were to die, my role pm would still make him an IC (confirmed by mod in pm). If both of us were to survive to endgame it would significantly increase our chances of winning.

I know this might not townclear me in any way, but it should at least inform your decisions going forward.

I wanted to claim it yesterday after all the trap stuff and people killing eachother left and right to avoid someone accidentally killing a town IC, but then the day was suddenly over.
Vecna seems to have claimed it as a reaction to the way night one went. Could see it coming from scum, but this strongly clears Vault for me.

If it's Vecna's scum fakeclaim, it does make sense that he'd have to claim it early cause if he claimed it after Vault died we'd probably be pretty annoyed and suspicious

but for the same reasoning it makes sense coming from Vecna town. His whole role purpose is to clear Vault and stop him from being lynched or killed by us in a game

I'm hoping to actually read a little more thorough during my shift tonight. I'm mentally considering what you're saying.

I honestly wasn't even /that/ sus of Vecna but more how at face value that VD seemed to respond ... but then Vecna came after me. Seemed like a pretty strong reaction to some posts that weren't even really aimed at him.

ISO · Post Post #2477 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 1:59 pm

well he does seem to be very protective of his dad!

i am inclined to believe his suspicion on you grew over time. he expressed disliking not just your vault suspicion, but also your BM suspicion earlier. in particular he seems frustrated with your play so far as a whole in 2449.

In post 2441, Vecna wrote:Cmon, give us some more than this simple rub n tug

If youre going to be suspicious about me, at least do it properly

In post 2451, Vecna wrote:You had fun putting Pine in the trap after he was calling you out?

lol i love these

ISO · Post Post #2478 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 2:08 pm

In post 2474, Vecna wrote:
In post 2463, Firebringer wrote:i have been somewhat reading this game. last i looked bbmolla was being pushed and he was very townie.
How is he different here from doubles mafia?

He ended up scum there as well

I looked through doubles mafia a little bit (scum game)

BBMolla seemed pretty engaged in it. He gets excited in some of his posts. He has a post saying "I'm fairly confident this is a town win", so he at least sounds actually really invested. At the very least he is more engaged than he has been so far here.

Obviously he seems a bit.. less than engaged in 2407 and 2455. In 2455 he seems to be giving up with like 1 vote on his wagon. not really sure where that came from.

I'm not really sure if that was specific to that game or if it is an indicator of his scum play, but i did find it notable

BBmolla · Post Post #2479 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 2:15 pm

It's site wide, I've just been busy last couple days.

I'll try to catch up tonight

BBmolla · Post Post #2480 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 9:01 pm

Vault Dweller is scum

Danny is scum

BBmolla · Post Post #2481 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 9:03 pm

VOTE: Danny

BBmolla · Post Post #2482 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 9:03 pm

If Vecna confirming VD as town is true, Vecna scum too

VaultDweller · Post Post #2483 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 9:36 pm

VOTE: BBMolla

You've gone for two of the easiest scumreads in the game

BBmolla · Post Post #2484 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 9:41 pm

okay lol

ISO · Post Post #2485 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 10:08 pm

In post 2482, BBmolla wrote:If Vecna confirming VD as town is true, Vecna scum too

Did you--

did you just use your Vault scumread to mechanically confirm Vecna as scum?

you're playing in an entirely different dimension from me

ISO · Post Post #2486 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 10:17 pm

The only way Vault can be scum is if Vecna is also scum

This also means that Vaults fake claim is Eric Matthews and Vecnas fake claim is Daniel Matthews

And i think it's highly unlikely that this role interaction was made up by Vecna and vault

so the only way that Vault can be scum is if the setup was designed with scum getting both Eric and Daniel Matthew's fake claims, with the Daniel fakeclaim clearing the Eric fakeclaim

i think its incredibly unlikely that is the case

BBmolla · Post Post #2487 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 10:56 pm

Why is that unlikely?

BBmolla · Post Post #2488 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 10:56 pm

Are they claimed masons?

BBmolla · Post Post #2489 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 10:56 pm

I've ignored 90% of the role drivel I'm just going by play so just correct me where wrong

BBmolla · Post Post #2490 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 10:56 pm

I've ignored 90% of the role drivel I'm just going by play so just correct me where wrong

Vecna · Post Post #2491 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2020 11:59 pm

In post 2478, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2474, Vecna wrote:
In post 2463, Firebringer wrote:i have been somewhat reading this game. last i looked bbmolla was being pushed and he was very townie.
How is he different here from doubles mafia?

He ended up scum there as well
I looked through doubles mafia a little bit (scum game)

BBMolla seemed pretty engaged in it. He gets excited in some of his posts. He has a post saying "I'm fairly confident this is a town win", so he at least sounds actually really invested. At the very least he is more engaged than he has been so far here.

Obviously he seems a bit.. less than engaged in 2407 and 2455. In 2455 he seems to be giving up with like 1 vote on his wagon. not really sure where that came from.

I'm not really sure if that was specific to that game or if it is an indicator of his scum play, but i did find it notable

I can tell you from playing in that game he seemed completely uninvested there as well. He was forced to become more invested because we literally paused that game as well repeatedly waiting for the lurkers to participate more.

Vecna · Post Post #2492 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 12:07 am

In post 2489, BBmolla wrote:I've ignored 90% of the role drivel I'm just going by play so just correct me where wrong

So what play is it that youre going by BBmolla? Care to explain?

ISO · Post Post #2493 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 4:26 am

Eddie Cane replaces GeorgeBailey!

ISO · Post Post #2494 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 4:27 am

Prodding Gamma Emerald and GuiltyLion.

Eddie Cane · Post Post #2495 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 5:58 am

Reading up tonight.

Eddie Cane · Post Post #2496 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 6:59 am

VOTE: iDany

Eddie Cane · Post Post #2497 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 7:03 am

I'm surprised people aren't talking about the one actually scummy thing I've seen from ABR. Anyways, I've got through most of day 2 working backwards, I'll try to read at least the part of d1 before the momo lynch.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #2498 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 7:17 am

In post 2497, Eddie Cane wrote:I'm surprised people aren't talking about the one actually scummy thing I've seen from ABR.

?

Eddie Cane · Post Post #2499 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 7:32 am

In post 2498, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2497, Eddie Cane wrote:I'm surprised people aren't talking about the one actually scummy thing I've seen from ABR.
?

I'll get there when I'm not mobile posting later.

@BM, Drixx, MT, Molla

I would like a full reads list please. Explanations are a plus but at least town to scum.