Umlaut's Mini Normal Review, May 2020

[northsidegal]

and just for implo, final setup:

Roles:

3x

Mafia Strongman

1x

Town Traffic Analyst

1x

Town Tracker

1x

Town Disloyal Fruit Vendor

1x

Town Night 4 Vigilante

Rules:

• Daystart
  
• Majority required to lynch, no-lynching is allowed
  
• 10-day (240-hour) days, 2-day (48-hour) nights
  
• Anything else I need to specify?

[schadd_]

great !

[Umlaut]

Note that that role list is missing the vanilla townies since my original post was...

Anyway, here are the role PMs. I may add some images or other inconsequential sprucing-up.

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome to the game, #NAME. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities

You have no special abilities.

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

Spoiler: Town Traffic Analyst

Welcome to the game, #NAME. You are a

Town Traffic Analyst

.

Abilities

• Each night you may target one player, to learn if that player shares a private topic with another living player.

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

Spoiler: Town Tracker

Welcome to the game, #NAME. You are a

Town Tracker

.

Abilities

• Each night you may target one player, to learn if that player visits anyone during the night.

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

Spoiler: Town Disloyal Fruit Vendor

Welcome to the game, #NAME. You are a

Town Disloyal Fruit Vendor

.

Abilities

• Each night you may target one player, to give them a piece of fruit. That player will be informed that they received fruit, but not who sent it.
  
• You can only successfully visit players aligned against the Town. If you target a Town-aligned player, your action will fail.

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

Spoiler: Town Night 4 Vigilante

Welcome to the game, #NAME. You are a

Town Night 4 Vigilante

.

Abilities

• On Night 4, you may target one player to kill them during the night.

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

Spoiler: Mafia Strongman

Welcome to the game, #NAME. You are a

Mafia Strongman

. Your partners, #ANOTHERNAME and #YETANOTHERNAME, are also Mafia Strongmen.

Abilities

• During the pregame and night, you and your teammate may talk in a private thread, linked below.
  
• Every night you and your teammate may choose one person to kill. You must specify which of you carries out the shot.
  
• If you personally commit the factional kill, it cannot be blocked.

Win Condition

You win when the Mafia is the sole surviving faction (or when nothing can prevent this).

Links

Game thread
Mafia Private Thread

Spoiler: Night event PMs

Traffic Analyst Negative

Your analysis determined that #NAME

is not

engaging in private communications.

Traffic Analyst Positive

Your analysis determined that #NAME

is

engaging in private communications.

Tracker Negative

You tracked #NAME, and found that {he/she/they} did not visit anyone during the night.

Tracker Positive

You tracked #NAME, and found that {he/she/they} visited #ANOTHERNAME during the night.

Fruit receipt

Someone left a(n) {apple/banana/orange/kiwifruit/whatever} at your door overnight.

[northsidegal]

your tracker role PM is wrong, tracker learns who (whom?) someone visited during the night, not if

your "private communications" result pm is probably less clear than it could be

[Umlaut]

Yeah, you're right.

Spoiler: Town Tracker (corrected)

Welcome to the game, #NAME. You are a

Town Tracker

.

Abilities

• Each night you may target one player, to learn whom if anyone that player visits during the night.

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

Spoiler: Night event PMs (improved)

Traffic Analyst Negative

Your analysis determined that #NAME

does not

share a private thread with another living player.

Traffic Analyst Positive

Your analysis determined that #NAME

does

share a private thread with another living player.

[northsidegal]

some more minor quibbles:

i would prefer if your disloyal role PM said "You can only successfully visit players aligned with the Mafia" instead of what it is now. seems like it's super pedantic but sometimes newer players read their role pms quickly and i think this is just clearer, it's not like multiball is possible in a mini so it's not really necessary to say "aligned against", just saying mafia is clearer.

having multiple fruit results is fine but make sure that you don't allow the fruit vendor to choose which one, it could potentially convey information that isn't supposed to be a part of the role.

[northsidegal]

apart from that i didn't see any problems

[Umlaut]

having multiple fruit results is fine but make sure that you don't allow the fruit vendor to choose which one, it could potentially convey information that isn't supposed to be a part of the role.

Yeah, wasn't planning to.

I'll change the wording to "aligned with the Mafia," I usually try to word as generally as possible to avoid leaking setup details but you're right that there can only be one anti-town faction in a normal.

[Umlaut]

Spoiler: Town Disloyal Fruit Vendor

Welcome to the game, #NAME. You are a

Town Disloyal Fruit Vendor

.

Abilities

• Each night you may target one player, to give them a piece of fruit. That player will be informed that they received fruit, but not who sent it.
  
• You can only successfully visit Mafia-aligned players. If you target a Town-aligned player, your action will fail.

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

[northsidegal]

i think this is a /pass? would like to also have final approval from schadd but given that there aren't any minis in signups right now it'd be nice to get this in queue

[implosion]

And into signups it goes.

[schadd_]

meant to pass it last night. yes

[Umlaut]

I know this is already approved and in signups so I understand if nothing can be changed now, but I wonder if this setup would be better / more fun with daytalk. That would let Mafia coordinate their response to a Traffic Analyst positive or talk through the implications of having received fruit.

[schadd_]

oh i already assume everything has daytalk. yea thats fine. youd need to disclaim that though.

[implosion]

Changes are also fine in general so long as they’re approved before the game is declared complete.

[Umlaut]

@northsidegal do you approve?

[Umlaut]

Changes would be:

• in Rules post:
  • change "No default daytalk." to "Private threads have daytalk." (last bullet point under "Tl;dr")
    
  • completely remove the line starting "During the day, you should be unable to post in any private threads..." (third bullet point under "Day")
• in Mafia Strongman role PM:
  • change "During the pregame and night" to "At all times" (first bullet point under "Abilities")

[northsidegal]

yeah, i prefer daytalk.

[Umlaut]

On reading up I realized I again need to change the wording of the Traffic Analyst role and result PMs, because e.g. Mailman is supposed to be a positive result for Traffic Analysts according to the wiki; this means the wording in terms of threads alone potentially leaks the information that there is no such role in the game. I'm going to just put "negative" and "positive" in the result PMs so that there is no question what they mean regardless of what comes after.

Spoiler: New new role PM

Welcome to the game, #NAME. You are a

Town Traffic Analyst

.

Abilities

• Each night you may target one player, to learn if that player is capable of private communication with another living player.
  (“Private communication” is any communication outside the main game thread.)

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

Spoiler: New new result PMs

Traffic Analyst negative

Your analysis was

negative

: #NAME cannot communicate privately with anyone.

Traffic Analyst positive

Your analysis was

positive

: #NAME can communicate privately with someone.

[northsidegal]

good reminder for a non-often seen interaction, and if it even needs to be said then those changes are approved.

[northsidegal]

could you add me to the dead/mod thread for this, please?

[Umlaut]

Sure!

Mod PT
Dead PT

[Umlaut]

There's an interaction possible in this setup that I hadn't even considered until just now. If the Tracker tracks the Disloyal Fruit Vendor on a night that the DFV tries giving fruit to a Town-aligned player, what result does the Tracker get?

I think in cases like this where the "targeting" itself fails, the action doesn't happen at all and the Tracker would find that the DFV went nowhere. Is that correct?

[northsidegal]

Loyal causes a role to behave as though it were roleblocked unless the target has the same alignment as the user. Trackers can't see roleblocked actions. So yes, the tracker would see that the DFV went no where.

[Umlaut]

This game has finished and this thread can be made public.