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[Knightmare491]

VOTE: Persivul

[GeorgeBailey]

Because i'm trying to imagine a scenario where Persivul is town and he visits Eve.

VOTE: Persivul

[GeorgeBailey]

L-1

[Knightmare491]

DUDE, he claimed rolecop, you think Town rolecop visits an IC?

[GeorgeBailey]

But he changed it to one shot. Usually one shot is paired with other roles.

[Knightmare491]

UNVOTE:

Too early for l-1, we need to give time to everyone to come and discuss this.

[Knightmare491]

In a world where you think he's lying about his role, why would you care if he's 1 shot or not. He should be auto scum for you.

[GeorgeBailey]

Just because someone lies about their role, doesn't mean they're scum.

[mavsfan41]

Unvote: Popopopopopo

Why the fuck would a claimed role cop make the night kill? Seems like obvious tracker bait. If Perisvul is scum, weird decision.

Intent to vote Persivul but don’t want a self-hammer in this situation.

Prana would be cleared (my bad Prana...).

[Knightmare491]

Just because someone lies about their role, doesn't mean they're scum.

In this case yes because there is no kind of NA that can be justified on an IC except protective and Eve died so that cannot be it.

[Knightmare491]

Prana would be cleared (my bad Prana...).

Actually would not go this far. His Persivul scum read could just be from a position of knowledge rather than having an SR on him. It makes sense, both bus each other to death and then when either of them is lynched ride the town creds for victory.
Given that the Rolecop thing was a gmabit I would not count this out.

[mavsfan41]

Prana was on Percivul day 1. And day 2. In fact, the day 1 push I find hard to believe would be SvS in that situation.

You make a GREAT point about why a townie role would be targeting the IC. The only thing I could possibly imagine is a watcher/voyeur (the one where you see who visited that person during the night) on Eve. And that would make sense as Eve was the most likely to be targeted.

Even with this being the case and Eve being dead, if Popopopo is the tracker and targeted Percivul, Percivul would’ve seen who targeted Eve and therefore should be pushing that person as scum and would’ve likely claimed in that scenario.

No way town!Percivul targeted Eve last night and is now pushing Popopopo if Popopo’s telling the truth about being the tracker.

[GeorgeBailey]

I mean, hes voting Prana. So best case scenario he's a voyeur who saw Prana attack Eve.

[mavsfan41]

We’re talking about Percivul right?

Okay, can we lynch popo now?

Prana and popo are both in my scum pool. Those are the leading wagons and the game has stalled, so good chance they're both scum.

VOTE: popopopopo

L-1

[mavsfan41]

Also, the fact he claimed role cop and confirmed me but wouldn’t claim that is beyond absurd.

[GeorgeBailey]

.....

Uh. Well ignore that. I was looking at the wrong VC....

Voyeur is the only claim I see though.

[GeorgeBailey]

Would town friendly neighbor be a possibility?

[UnaBombaH]

Sorry for the absence.
I'm catching up during the next ~8h time period (work , but finally a more quiet day I hope)

I think I'm caught up to the point where Ruby joined the game.

[UnaBombaH]

That's interesting too. Since the NK was the IC over the PR, would that mean the IC was killed for her reads?

This reads to me like scum trying to build a narrative.
The IC is the one kill that might be done just for the sake of eliminating a conf.town.
Why they didn't do it N1 was probably just because Wake didn't propose any threat to the scumteam with their actions D1.
Eve was more active, and that already might be reason enough for scum to eliminate them BEFORE having even one conf.town in a limited pool of players could affect the voting and eliminate certain narratives from being told by scum.

[UnaBombaH]

I was more confident in that scum team a couple days ago, but Una and Riabi going quiet has me concerned.

Yea, I'm really sorry for this.
I work better as a townie when the game moves a bit faster so that I can do a daily "mini-catchup" of sorts.
I didn't find much to comment on few days ago, and sort of forgot the whole game because I was exhausted from work and bored at the time as well.
I know, not a fair thing to say when I'm not providing original content myself either.

I feel like doing a recap on this whole D2, maybe even the whole game, after getting todays flip will likely give me a better comprehension of the game.
It's just that I need more data, and less WIFOM based on claims.

[UnaBombaH]

I've been giving Una a pass based on these posts. I see them as hints that he's a PR. But, we haven't received any results, and he's gone quiet.

@mavs: I generally scum read individually. I'm not great with groupings. How do things look if you replace George with Una?

That's not how I'd hint at being a PR.
You'd find a rant/ramble about something that has happened in my personal life, and I'd hide a crumb of my role there.
I guess I'm not doing that anymore in the future though, since people don't seem to believe those claims anyway. Or the roles don't work like they should (#stillSalty)

I was seriously trying to not make too much effort just to avoid being the NK tonight, since I really believe I can be at my best D4 after todays flip.

[UnaBombaH]

i agree with prana that persi is extremely sus. my scumread on prana from yesterday i think was more of a playstlye thing, as the setup spec has continued.

im still down to get on knightmare but i really dont see why we dont lynch persi today. he lied about his claim, and checking the miller with a 1 shot just seems dumb to me. (and not true)

Would scum try and go for a PR though? If Prana and popo are scum together, trying to vote out Persi seems like a gambit move. Even if still a 1-shot, doesn't seem like the safe scum move.

This is, yet again, nothing but trying to paint a narrative.
2nd post from you that I've quoted withing a short time frame, and they both have this flavor to them.

[UnaBombaH]

Yeah, it made sense to give him some time, especially with no shortage of scummier candidates. But if popo flips red and mavs is correct (I'll review his argument later) that that rules out George, then I think we need to consider Una. I'll do some meta on him when I have time.

..and I'm afraid this seems like you are digging at my feet - just in case I need to be mislynched tomorrow.
If you are town here, you should realize where your own claim puts you in the grand scheme of things.
You'd also be at least a little worried of being NK'd, no? Yet you seem quite confident that you will wake up to D4..

[UnaBombaH]

And since we are outing suspicions about PRs - I thought Persivul might've actually been a 2-shot / odd-night RoleCop at the start of the day.
With that 1-shot claim they have effectively made it so that we can't expect any more results from them, and they are also "protected" from a nightkill simply because their result means nothing unless they die.
They claim to have confirmed a role that does nothing, and could potentially be just a scum hiding under a role that can't be confirmed.
Town!RoleCop would've said that to make sure they get a result tonight, but somehow I do not see that in their gameplay right now.

I'll have to do some stream of consciousness to sort this whole thing for myself.

[UnaBombaH]

im at l-1?

gonna claim then

tracker - luca tracked georgebailey night 1, he didnt go anywhere

i tracked persivul last night, he visited eve

maybe i shoulda claimed at the start of day but i wanted to keep my pr secret

What?
If this is true then it's 10/10.