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You can start at Post 851 and just keep reading until Ali goes to bed after talking about weed.In post 1336, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
quote or links pleaseIn post 1334, Green Crayons wrote:Okay I'm going to take a break but the cycle-Ali-Norwegian interaction in the 36-41 page range is just so damned weird. Ali is trying hard to not lynch cycle but trying to lynch Norweg. Norweg is trying hard to get other people to not lynch cycle by voting human. Ali and cycle are having a biting back and forth, and meanwhile Norweg is 1+ing the Ali burns."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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hth i had this same reaction.In post 1346, Alisae wrote:bro what are you doing"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Ugh I keep going through the VCs but it gets messy. And I'm being lazy."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Spoiler: FB Wagon Thoughts
So I'm a little bit of two minds about this, but I come down on it suggesting FB is town.
1. Cycle's vote on FB was really bad. If FB is scum with Cycle, if Cycle wanted to he could have come up with something that looked moderately okay rather than a complete trash vote. I know Cycle is apparently a low effort poster, but tossing a trash vote onto a scum player doesn't really net either town points, even if there's a flip. So I'm reading this as more likely FB town because there isn't really a benefit if FB were scum.
2. Cycle's vote on FB created a counterwagon to Cycle. And then Cycle jumped off. Two problems in viewing this.
First is that a counterwagon is suspicious if we assume one of the other players on the FB wagon were scum, otherwise it was just town following a bad cycle vote. But it *was* a horribly bad cycle vote. And it created non-cycle wagon momentum, so I'm willing to suspect the players on it.
Second is how to interpret Cycle's quick unvote. FB-scum view is that Cycle was like "oh shit i don't actually want to lynch my buddy." But another view is that Cycle didn't want to push a bad lynch on FB-town. Andthatview aligns with how Cycle treated the Norwegian counterwagon if we accept that Norwegian is town.
3. Another thing that sticks with me is just how long the FB wagon lingered after cycle jumped off. Two scum jumping off the same wagon in close proximity isn't a good look. If we suspect that another scum was voting FB (something I'm entertaining), I would expect the next scum to unvote FB was less likely to be the unvote that sequentially followed Cycle's unvote.
In sum, I think this makes FB more likely town. I think it makes votato, ABR, and elements more likely scum, particularly votato and ABR."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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This might be borderline circular but I think it makes sense. Surface level analysis (scum voted FB, FB must be town) doesn't work or benefit FB-scum, and so second level (no scum benefit to vote FB-scum because of surface level analysis, FB more likely town) plays.In post 1381, Green Crayons wrote:I know Cycle is apparently a low effort poster, but tossing a trash vote onto a scum player doesn't really net either town points, even if there's a flip. So I'm reading this as more likely FB town because there isn't really a benefit if FB were scum."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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omg lol i am half asleep because i just realized that cycle and votato had their votes on FB before the cycle-wagon heated up
nevermind. Ignore everything I say for now on."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Actually I wasn't 100% sureIn post 1373, Deimos27 wrote:VOTE: ABR L-2
I'm agreed that this slot is the first priority for pressure at this point.
@ABR, if you were so convinced that Clemency was town, why didn't you state why and try to convince someone to swing Elements? You had potential influence there considering how many players have expressed respect for you.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Okay this is just for me because maybe I can't even read VCs still.
Spoiler: elements counterwagon
My takeaways are:
1. Ali doesn't get town points for the hammer. She sat on Elements for a while and a final shift before Looker viewed the thread isn't AI.
But. Ali apparently didn't realize that Cycle voted for Elements before her, as she was asking Cycle to vote Elements in Post 1047 and Post 1049. This mistake was because of an inaccurate VC, as noted by mod comment in Post 1056. The fact that Ali's mistake appears tied to an incorrect VC leads me to believe that it was genuine.
So here's the Q: would Ali-scum follow Cycle-scum's vote onto Elements and call for Cycle-scum to vote Elements even though he already had--without knowing that Cycle-scum had actually made that vote when there is daytalk? I don't think so. I think scum pay close attention to what their teammates do, including keeping in mind what they post (like votes). I suppose it's possible that Ali-scum was lazy and only checked VCs (but VCs aren't necessarily up-to-date accurate); or that Ali-scum missed this if scumteam are like "okay let's try to not use daytalk as much as possible," but literally daytalk is their only advantage in this game so I'm not adopting that rationale as a basis to justify a potential scum theory.
Anyway. I'm feeling more secure about Ali-town, despite the weird Ali-Cycle-Norwegian mashup.
2. Norwegian, votato, and ABR all failed to actually give reasons for their Elements vote. votato gave reasons why he should be voting other people. ABR gave reasons why he shouldn't have voted Elements to counter the Cycle wagon. I think that makes each of them suspicious for their separate reasons.
As scum (typically) want to socially distance on votes, because Norwegian was the closest-in-time to Cycle-scum's Elements vote (skipping Ali), he's less suspicious. Also, while Norwegian didn't give a reason for his vote, he doesn't have extra baggage like votato or ABR.
I don't really know which of votato's (giving reasons to vote other players) or ABR's (giving reasons to not join the Elements counterwagon) additional baggage is more suspicious. I'm disinclined to believe that 3 scum were on the Elements-wagon, though, so they're both on my shortlist for today.
3. Looker has limited access relative to everyone else, and so his lack of involvement in all of these goings on is not AI."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Quarantine really getting to you isn't it?In post 1386, Green Crayons wrote:As scum (typically) want to socially distance on votesGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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what's the thing that set you off that wasn't on my ISO?In post 1385, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Actually I wasn't 100% sure-
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I've adopted the vernacular of our new normal. If it fits, it hits.In post 1388, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Quarantine really getting to you isn't it?In post 1386, Green Crayons wrote:As scum (typically) want to socially distance on votes"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Two questions for you.In post 1387, NorwegianboyEE wrote:While i wouldn't be against a wagon on ABR, i find the points against Alisae too many to ignore.
VOTE: Alisae
1. Why did you follow Cycle-scum's theory that Ali+human+Isis were a scum team?
2. Do you still think that they are a scum team?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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In post 1344, Albert B. Rampage wrote:GTFO with this voteIn post 1345, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Eat this vote, scumbag.Spoiler:
Am I the bro?In post 1346, Alisae wrote:bro what are you doing
Are you accusing Alisae of drafting a distancing plan in the main topic?In post 1360, Elements wrote:
pointing out of a plan to distance?In post 1322, Alisae wrote:im not scum and i feel like if I was scum with Clemency here, he doesn't try to align himself with Norwee when Norwee thinks that I'm cordinating votes on him. That whole interaction just doesn't make sense.
VOTE: Firebringer
This vote-hopping atmosphere is kind of tricky. How effective would a bus be in a nightless?-
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what's the thing that set you off that wasn't on my ISO?In post 1385, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Actually I wasn't 100% sureGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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you said nothing in my tunnel had any merit, but then you say here that you weren't 100% sure. so you surely you had something on him that would indicate that he was scum, but you weren't too sure about it. if there was, i would love to hear it. if not, maybe i'm not understanding you? i wouldn't be surprised because you're not really making yourself understandable.In post 1393, Albert B. Rampage wrote:?
while you're on it, i want to re-quote the questions i have for you that you must have missed:In post 1374, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I'm also curious why Firebringer and Isis bussed and not Alisae.In post 1375, humaneatingmonkey wrote:And also why does it seem like he was encouraging a no-lynch at the end of the day? I want to know his POV on that as well.-
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VOTE: ABR
L-1 ABR.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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