Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Morning Tweet]

N1:

Pine or Farside must sacrifice themself to save Hectic. Pine sacrifices.
Battle Mage must choose to kill himself, or kill an unknown player with the role of "Innocent Child", or perhaps just with the flavour name "Lynn Denlon". I'm not sure exactly how this worked. Battle Mage chooses to kill that player. (BM needs to clarify this)
Elsa Jay must choose ???. He chooses to kill himself and Hectic.

N2:

GuiltyLion must choose to kill himself, or stay alive but become so annoying that we can't do a lynch on D2. He chooses to disable the trap.
Morning must choose to kill herself, or give scum two extra traps the next night. She chooses to not die
Farside must choose ???. She chooses to die

After choosing to die, farside fires off a vigilante shot at Almost 50, killing him.

[Bingle]

Okay, so what hood are Vecna/PK in?

[Morning Tweet]

As far as I know, pisskop and Vecna aren't in hoods. At least pisskop I know isn't.

[pisskop]

I have no hood. Im a free bird

[pisskop]

Actually, my character is a prick.

[Bingle]

GE
Drixx
VD
Dave
EC

Purely from setup spec, this list should have 1-2 scum in it. I'd prefer lynching from here.

EC looks town. GE can only be one of the two scum (Jigsaw himself). I'm going to operate on the assumption that ABR/BM is TvT until I see compelling information otherwise.

If BM is town, then that means every trap participant on N1 was town. Which is interesting. I doubt there's more than one scum in the N2 trap survivors unless this was a major point of discussion yesterday. Tonight, people in traps should discuss reads as well as traps if possible and come into the thread with a summary of those reads.

We haven't seen anywhere near enough town power for scum to have 3 kills, particularly given knowledge of a godfather.

ABR's back off of Hectic onto momo doesn't look like a bus at all. It looks like ABR being cocky, sure, but that's not an AI condition.

[Bingle]

I see pk claimed no hood just after ABR expressed a murderboner for the hoodless. That's probably +town equity.

[davesaz]

Pretty sure PK claimed no hood.

JSYK I'm normally a consumer of those summaries, not the one who makes them. There are occasional exceptions when I update one which is probably what you're remembering.
It's pretty far from solveable. AFAIK Tweet's list is accurate. I'll try to fill in a few tidbits that I can remember.

Gamma (?) claimed to be holding a key that can get him out of traps, and claimed to have given it to ABR. From an alignment standpoint ambiguous as hell.

There have been some flavor related claims. There is a father and son where one of them supposedly knows the other is town like a one-way mason or unconfirmable IC. One of the dead flipped "innocent wife" -- would a game also have an innocent son / innocent dad???

[davesaz]

I see I took too long to write that and PK's hoodlessness came out about 4 different ways.

[Bingle]

BB is a claimed reporter, which is a bad role for scum to claim (removes all utility from the role itself) and so not on my lynch table today.

[Bingle]

Oh, right. Vecna inno'd VD. That's helpful.

Current D3 lynchpool imo should be {Bingle, Drixx, Dave, EC}

[Bingle]

JSYK I'm normally a consumer of those summaries, not the one who makes them. There are occasional exceptions when I update one which is probably what you're remembering.

I seem to remember you frequently asking for them and knowing where they are, at the least. You also tend to be aware enough of claims to help when things get missed/overlooked, given you're a mechanical player.

[Ircher]

I can confirm that Gamma gave his key to Albert B. Rampage on night 2. I'm not sure I fully understand how the role works.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I see I took too long to write that and PK's hoodlessness came out about 4 different ways.

What is a reporter?

[davesaz]

I see I took too long to write that and PK's hoodlessness came out about 4 different ways.

What is a reporter?

Given the discussion I've been assuming it is like variant 3 from Reporter but could be wrong.

[Ircher]

Is it possible for scum to be involved in the games? Or do the games basically clear all the participants?

[Albert B. Rampage]

We've no idea.

[Morning Tweet]

Personally I feel that one or two of the scum has an ability like "X-shot game participant" and can use it to place themself into a game

That way, scum in this setup use the games as their night kill method, but survivors aren't 100% confirmed town. But 90% of players will be town though

[pisskop]

I think it'd be a pretty bad setup design to have several ICs, several cops, and then scum who cant put themselves into games.

Thats bad. Unless all the ICs and cops are red herrings.

More likely, given that Amanada, Jigsaw, almost every bad guys from saw has been in a trap or two at some point, scum are not exempt from their own traps. Maybe they are immune to deaths from them though?

[pisskop]

yea, I think its more likely that they get out of the traps if they otherwise would die.

Somebody mentioned a key, that ABR now has.
MT says he choose to leave his trap.

Scum most likely has ways out of traps

[Morning Tweet]

yea, I think its more likely that they get out of the traps if they otherwise would die.

Somebody mentioned a key, that ABR now has.
MT says he choose to leave his trap.

Scum most likely has ways out of traps

who do you suspect more: the x-shot bulletproof, or the one who chose to survive the trap rather than die?

[pisskop]

???

I not saying youre scum, Im saying that it makes no sense to write off survivors of traps as town.

[pisskop]

who do you suspect more: the x-shot bulletproof, or the one who chose to survive the trap rather than die?

Both, until I read the content they provide.

The xshot looks both assuming everything else though. Somebody who is confident enough to not give details has conviction.

[Morning Tweet]

Ah i see. I was just curious whether you thought scum would choose to claim that they're immune to the trap vs. claim that they made a choice to leave the trap and suffer the negative consequences

[pisskop]

What I do think though, is that a scum keymaker would be a pretty cool twist