Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Alisae]

cruel and unusual

[Hectic]

VOTE: Alisae

I don't think the hammer gambit is wild at all if e's scum, Ame. All it requires doing is counting the votes.

Got answers to the questions I asked, Ali?

[Ame]

Hectic, I'm not referring to the self hammer. I'm referring to this:

Ginngie

I don't think I was hammered

you can hammer me <3

Had I not unvoted right then, they likely would have been hammered within seconds.

[Pink Ball]

Ali's hammer is NAI 'cause it was under pressure of being the counterwagon. Changing from Knight is town to hammering him is much more relevant.

That being said, Ali's still not my first alternative

[Raven Branwen]

The two people who are in my list of potential scum are Raven Branven and Raya. Raven because of the spring associatives with the flipped scum, Raya because they have been very defensive.

If you still think there’s any chance that I could still be scum, you clearly missed the post where Kerset tmi’d me town, plus read page 1 again. I now have 3 XP - one short to upgrade and since my slot was captured, if I were scum here, I would only have 2 now. It’s all in the OP.

[Raven Branwen]

The two people who are in my list of potential scum are Raven Branven and Raya. Raven because of the spring associatives with the flipped scum, Raya because they have been very defensive.

If you still think there’s any chance that I could still be scum, you clearly missed the post where Kerset tmi’d me town, plus read page 1 again. I now have 3 XP - one short to upgrade and since my slot was captured, if I were scum here, I would only have 2 now. It’s all in the OP.

[Capture]
All players may vote to block another player using Capture: Player or HURT: Player. Once a majority is reached, the day ends and that player is captured. The captured player will be unable to take any actions (personal or factional, including Training)

the following night, and if they are aligned with the Mafia, they will lose 1 XP.

@Not Known 15

[Raven Branwen]

The two people who are in my list of potential scum are Raven Branven and Raya. Raven because of the spring associatives with the flipped scum, Raya because they have been very defensive.

hmmm that claim change by alisae is also suspect...

What claim change?

[Raven Branwen]

Spoiler: it's probably neither of them

I’m starting to think that’s possible. I know it’s obviously not me, not Ame. Can’t see it being PB, Hectic or you, so that would leave NK15 and Pine.

[Raven Branwen]

I think Raya is pretty obvtown today. I wouldn't lynch there.

That would be an insane hammer gambit by Alisae if e is scum, but all other indicators point to em being so. The only other player who has the potential to have concealed XP is Ginnie. Not realizing that he had to submit training is hardly believable considering he played the previous XP mafia, but I'll accept it based on the reasoning that the game was years ago. However, failing to submit it again N2 is an indicator that there is likely something sketchy going on there. Additionally, Knightmare's preoccupation with my Ginnie read is suggestive of partnership. So it is between Ali and Ginnie. I believe we should lynch Ali first based on the reasoning I provided yesterday and today.

Again, I would like to clear up some potential discrepancies with Pine's role before we end the day, however.

Oh I forgot about Ginnie. He seemed pretty genuine in the Quest but I suppose that couldn’t be out of his scum range.

[Raven Branwen]

Ali's hammer is NAI 'cause it was under pressure of being the counterwagon. Changing from Knight is town to hammering him is much more relevant.

That being said, Ali's still not my first alternative

Who do you think we should lynch? I wonder if the no kill, points to a disengaged player, which neither Ali or Raya fits. That happened in one of my games, where the last scum had pretty much given up and didn’t even bother with a night kill.

[Raven Branwen]

Oh the mod confirmed, my receiving a miscellaneous result, only implies that the only actions performed on Ame last night, fall under that category. So, both Raya and Pine are confirmed to be telling the truth about gifting Ame.

[Raven Branwen]

VC 2.3

Knightmare491 (5)- Raven Branwen, Not Known 15, Creature, Ame, Alisae
Alisae (3)- Raya36, Hectic, Knightmare491
Raven Branwen (1)- Pine

Not voting (2)- Pink Ball, Ginngie

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-04 23:00:00)

Mod notes: none.

VC 2.FINAL

Knightmare491 (6)- Raven Branwen, Not Known 15, Creature, Ame, Alisae, Ginngie (LYNCH)
Alisae (3)- Raya36, Hectic, Knightmare491
Raven Branwen (1)- Pine

Not voting (1)- Pink Ball

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-04 23:00:00)

Mod notes: none.

Knightmare491 was lynched. He was a...

Spoiler:

Mafia Teacher

Welcome, Knightmare491, to Mini 2133: XP Mafia II. Your role is

Mafia Teacher.

Your role costs

3 XP

to upgrade.

[REDACTED]

You have the following abilities:

• Each night before you have used this power, you will be given a list of all Public Mechanics that were available to be put into play but were not chosen. Once during the game, during the night, you may choose one such Public Mechanic and put it into play. If this Public Mechanic costs XP to use, you will be able to use it for the rest of the game without paying any XP.
  
• Once during the game, you may target another player. All non-killing actions targeting that player will fail.

You win when the mafia control 50% of all living players or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Night 2 begins now and ends in (expired on 2020-05-06 21:00:00).

If both Ali and Raya are town, scum is either likely late on Knightmare491 wagon or off of it.

[Alisae]

Its possible scum just didn’t kill because they were gifting

[Ame]

Do you mean Raya?

[Alisae]

atm yeah I think so but I feel like a massclaim atm would be super benefical.

[Ame]

It's not possible, she had zero XP. Scum had to no kill or else she would have been cleared. Alternatively, scum may simply have been out of XP. Or chose to train in order to obtain their upgrade.

For the record, training is the only action that scum cannot simultaneously preform the factional kill with. One can gift and kill at the same time if you have the XP to do both.

[Alisae]

You should probably try to get people to agree to a massclaim
We’re 2 scum down and no one died N2.

Figure out why no one died N2 and you have yourselves a won game

[Alisae]

Like keep in mind I’m not invested in this games mechanics and haven’t toyed with them.
I’ve made too many slip ups to be scum here.

However thats not my point here.
You seem to be thinking about the games mechanics a lot.

[Ame]

pedit: My role says "no you cannot sabotage this player"

Could you explain this one more time? You select a player and that player is protected from being sabatoged correct?

[Alisae]

Like while yeah, you probably should lynch me mostly because I changed my claim, even though I have a perfectly valid reason to change my claim that I can even quote post game if you don’t believe me, but you HAVE to answer that question. Its a part of the puzzle now and it has to be addressed.

[Ame]

As I mentioned though, scum had to no kill or it would clear Raya. Mass claiming wouldn't provide any additional information leading to that.

[Alisae]

pedit: My role says "no you cannot sabotage this player"

Could you explain this one more time? You select a player and that player is protected from being sabatoged correct?

this is my role in the fullest amount of details
- I count as 2 players to make sure the quest succeeds and does not affect the threshold for a quest to succeed
- when I vote for a leader for the quest, my vote counts as double
- each night I am on a quest, I can select a player and if they are sabotaged, the sabotage will fail.
- I gain an additional XP point for being selected as the leader of a quest
That is my role in the fullest amount of detail

[Alisae]

As I mentioned though, scum had to no kill or it would clear Raya. Mass claiming wouldn't provide any additional information leading to that.

What makes you 100% sure that massclaiming wouldn’t provide any additional information that could help you here

[Ame]

That's pretty cool!

Why do you think questing is safe though? There's no guarantee that the player you select is the player scum will sabatoge

[Ame]

I'm not against mass claiming per se. I just don't think doing so will elucidate why there was no night kill.