On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Feminist Blocc]

Like ok I don't have time to respond to every accusation he makes because he's very much focusing on quantity over quality here so I'm just going to choose what stuck out to me most while I was reading.

When he votes me originally this is his theory:

Ausuka’s role is to stop town from using abilities, not the other way around.

in which I'm explicitly targeting people to roleblock them.

Also if I was using my role to Roleblock town why would I target scum lol

pretty much makes this theory dead in the water but he doesn't introspect or hesitate at all upon seeing this. Instead he continues with baseless theories like "Ausuka neighbourizing Pine was a conspiracy to get townreads" and like one page later he's acting like it never happened:

Ausuka protected Pine so they wouldn’t die and lose all their money.

and he comes up with an entirely new theory.

I really think his complete lack of hesitation regarding this shows that he came into this with the intention of expanding the lynchpool/PoE and was shaping the facts to reach the conclusion because none of this makes sense from a town perspective.

So now I'm protecting Pine from death, even though in doing so I'm restricting him to literally only roleblock me and no one else, and Xof is lovers with Pine anyway so protection wouldn't even work. When Dats points this out his response is:

Simple solution, just target the other one Night 2.

we... targeted Chemist... on Night 2...

-D

So...?

Flavor Leaf is not this stupid. He's completely aware that if we were protecting Pine and Xof by targeting them n1 and n2, we would have recruited xofelf n2 and not chemist. On the other hand Flavor Leaf does make up a lot of BS and he prides himself on being able to make up bullshit for any situation. I think this much more accurately

the stuff you’re bringing is literally pointless and does nothing in response to the reasons.

Like these are meaningless and empty words. If I'm missing something and the fact I

provably did not target xofelf n2

is completely irrelevant to the argument that I, as scum, would target xofelf n2 as part of a plan, someone explain that to me and I'll admit we were in the wrong here, but I don't think anyone can do that. He repeats this a few times to make it look like he's saying something. He isn't.

I'm pretty sure FL decided what he wanted the outcome of this push to be before he made it and is scum as a result. That's the only explanation for him pretending that actual facts and details are meaningless. He's trying to strongarm this lynch through. Probably because we're a semi-difficult but definitely achievable mislynch and he thinks his partner is capable of winning the game through other lynches if he does this. But I just don't see any world in which he behaves this way as town.

[Feminist Blocc]

Spoiler: part of something was incomplete whoops it's not really that important though!

Like ok I don't have time to respond to every accusation he makes because he's very much focusing on quantity over quality here so I'm just going to choose what stuck out to me most while I was reading.

When he votes me originally this is his theory:

Ausuka’s role is to stop town from using abilities, not the other way around.

in which I'm explicitly targeting people to roleblock them.

Also if I was using my role to Roleblock town why would I target scum lol

pretty much makes this theory dead in the water but he doesn't introspect or hesitate at all upon seeing this. Instead he continues with baseless theories like "Ausuka neighbourizing Pine was a conspiracy to get townreads" and like one page later he's acting like it never happened:

Ausuka protected Pine so they wouldn’t die and lose all their money.

and he comes up with an entirely new theory.

I really think his complete lack of hesitation regarding this shows that he came into this with the intention of expanding the lynchpool/PoE and was shaping the facts to reach the conclusion because none of this makes sense from a town perspective.

So now I'm protecting Pine from death, even though in doing so I'm restricting him to literally only roleblock me and no one else, and Xof is lovers with Pine anyway so protection wouldn't even work. When Dats points this out his response is:

Simple solution, just target the other one Night 2.

we... targeted Chemist... on Night 2...

-D

So...?

Flavor Leaf is not this stupid. He's completely aware that if we were protecting Pine and Xof by targeting them n1 and n2, we would have recruited xofelf n2 and not chemist. On the other hand Flavor Leaf does make up a lot of BS and he prides himself on being able to make up bullshit for any situation. I think this much more accurately explains how he's just ignoring reality and pushing his argument as aggressively as he can to make it look like it's reasonable when it's just not.

the stuff you’re bringing is literally pointless and does nothing in response to the reasons.

Like these are meaningless and empty words. If I'm missing something and the fact I

provably did not target xofelf n2

is completely irrelevant to the argument that I, as scum, would target xofelf n2 as part of a plan, someone explain that to me and I'll admit we were in the wrong here, but I don't think anyone can do that. He repeats this a few times to make it look like he's saying something. He isn't.

I'm pretty sure FL decided what he wanted the outcome of this push to be before he made it and is scum as a result. That's the only explanation for him pretending that actual facts and details are meaningless. He's trying to strongarm this lynch through. Probably because we're a semi-difficult but definitely achievable mislynch and he thinks his partner is capable of winning the game through other lynches if he does this. But I just don't see any world in which he behaves this way as town.

[Flavor Leaf]

My last post I replaced out, if that wasn’t clear. I sent it to the mod.

[John Cena]

No replacement processing and no events, this game is lowkey abandoned lol

like is this day still going to resolve with the same timer or what's going on

[Alisae]

Hi me and jjh are aware that this game is completely dead
We are deciding what course of action we want to take at the moment.
We’ll get back to everyone soon.

[Alisae]

Hi.
So I had a chat with jjh and we decided that the best action to take here is to just call the game abandoned.

The reason why we want to abandon it is for a few reasons
1. By the looks of things, people aren't having fun and wanting to replace out, and finding replacements for this game is really hard. Also the late day start and lack of events probably just contributed to the game being dead to the point where its just not fun anymore. The game itself is too hard to run to just give it to someone else.
2. jjh's schedule was adjusted to a schedule that made it difficult to mod the game. This was why Night 2 was so long, jjh is the one in charge of processing the actions because he's better then me at that when I do not have a spreadsheet made for the game. I trusted him with processing the actions for the game (I'm the one who posted the votecounts) as as a result of his shift in schedule, it was difficult for him to actually resolve the actions.
- Not to mention there was STILL a mod error. In Feminist's Blocc's role PM, a role that was designed by me and jjh had like a general idea of what it did but not the small details, as a result of pine dieing, that flip was supposed to be janitored. It wasn't. Also during D1, jjh just didn't know that Datisi was supposed to have an advantage during events.
3. I lost interest in modding the game. During D1, it was tough to mod events as well as Furret's Bizarre Adventure part 2. It was even hard to keep up flavor for that game because of this game. A bit afterwards, my hobbies changed and around Night 2, I wanted to get back into competative Team Fortress 2 because that started to become fun again.

These were one of the types of games that basically grew my cult following as a mod. I ran this game with these mechanics 3 times.
I explored the hydra mechanic a tiny bit a micro
I expanded upon it in a mini
both of the above were ran smoothly and the mini was just as complex as this game. the micro was the simplest version of this game's mechanics.

I modded another one around when my TM game ended and that didn't even end up going well either, I missed several events I was supposed to do and had trouble wanting to continue modding the game because of poor mental health and scheduling.
The reason why I wanted to mod it again is to try to bring something that was very popular back in the day when I was popular as a mod, to an audience today, so they got to experience it.

which leads into my next point:
lolbalance games do not work.
Simply put, because they rely on these super complicated roles as the main identity of the game, you are making a game that is VERY hard to effectively mod.
Part of why I came up with spreadsheets is to try making these games easier to run.
As a game, they are too hard to effectively mod. And as a mod, you should not be designing games like this. Even if you think you can do them, you can't. They're just hard and there's so many working parts that we don't even want to hand this game to someone who wants COULD run it, the fuck ups can ONLY increase when you do that.

Simply put, I wanted to mod a game but did not setup the conditions to mod that game succesfully.
- I did not create a spreadsheet to run the game with, which is something that I told myself back in 2017 after running this game was something that I would ALWAYS do.
- I ran a game with 8 day deadlines, knowing that it was very possible for me to just not want to run it anymore mid way. The past few games I modded had short deadlines and that isn't just because I think short deadlines can be fun, its also because I need short deadlines to make sure I don't abandon the fucking game. Believe it or not, this was NOT the first game I had to abandon, but the 2nd. The first game I had to abandon was a very complicated Yugioh uPick with very complicated mechanics. It was ran on 451. I stopped wanting to run that game because by the time night came around, I was getting stressed out by rl scheduling, mental health issues, and I had fucking LLD yelling at me saying I designed a shit game, which demotivated me. jjh was actually the person I told to clean up that mess and he declared the game abandoned because no one wanted to play it anymore.
- I tried to put too much on my plate and as a result I just got burnt out.

Anyhow, we'll roll out PTs and Role PMs later today.
Thanks for playing and we apologize for not being able to moderate the game to its conclusion.

[Ausuka]

Modding this must have been an absolute nightmare honestly. Thank you for trying although it obviously didn't go as planned.

Maybe we should've just tried playing forum Mario party in mishmash instead tbh.

[Alisae]

These games ARE an absolute nightmare not only to mod but also to design and I lost my knack for designing them a long time ago (which is why jjh helped me out with design, because he played in the games, he knew what made them special, and we could both easily bring the experience to the MS players of 2020 who weren't around to experience these games).

However part of it is also I'm just not disciplined enough to run it.
I don't know about jjh, but I feel like I could have modded the game better, but I took no steps to mod the game better.

[Pine]

I liked this game

[SirCakez]

This game was fun! Sad we won't make it to the end but I understand.

[Auro]

I was scum

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I thought we had good odds going into this

Rip

[Alisae]

btw the remaining scum were Imperium and Black Hole

[Firebringer]

Imperium

called it

[SirCakez]

dang town was fucked if this had continued

[Datisi]

"i want to invite titus or pops in the hood, they're strong allies"

the man actually did that

[Pine]

[Alisae]

Nacho was really excited to rand scum
seeing his comments in the scum discord really made me want to rand scum with him
it sounds super fun

[Pine]

"i want to invite titus or pops in the hood, they're strong allies"

the man actually did that

Go ahead. Try and predict what I would do as scum.

Hint: You can't. I use a fucking d100 to make decisions.

[Alisae]

Yeah
you can learn a lot about how to play scum just by watching Nacho play and by reading what he has to say about playing the alignment.
There was a post I remember him making where he was trying to hype Ari up and get him hyped to play scum.
Let me see if I can find it
that dude is amazing

[Titus]

Nacho was a fun scum partner. The whole team was fun.

I do apologize for my subpar performance. It was NAI. I legit was having medical issues.

[Alisae]

Yeah
you can learn a lot about how to play scum just by watching Nacho play and by reading what he has to say about playing the alignment.
There was a post I remember him making where he was trying to hype Ari up and get him hyped to play scum.
Let me see if I can find it
that dude is amazing

here's the post
Subject: Mini 1916: Buttersnap Shitfuckery Scum PT

Like being scum is absolute freedom. You don't have to follow rules you don't have to be loyal to anyone you can quickhammer if you want to you don't have to play to your town meta at all (I legitimately never ever ever have unless I'm trying to fool Tammy)

What do you have as town? Solving puzzles? Are puzzles even fun bro???

Read that post and the post around it
literally everything you post is to your wincon

[Tammy]

This was a fun game! Thanks for setting it up and everything alisae!

I'm very sorry for replacing out. I was having fun, but I got sick and was still sick and had work to make up from when I was sick, and I didn't think it'd be fair to my team to be absent for two weeks. But I totally could have stayed in seeing in how the game slowed down, but I wasn't expecting that so I'm sorry. And I'm sorry if my replacing out contributed to the game being abandoned.

I hate playing scum with the fire of a thousand suns, but I didn't hate playing scum that much this time. I think that's because we had a really fun team and it was great playing with you all.

The post that people townread me for comes from town me 9 times out of 10. That was an honest post and I was just having a big misunderstanding.

Thank you for neighborizing us krazy. You're awesome, and I really enjoyed playing with you. I just wish I was town!

[Tammy]

Nacho was really excited to rand scum
seeing his comments in the scum discord really made me want to rand scum with him
it sounds super fun

Nacho loves playing scum so much. It's unfortunate that his work is so crazy right now; he's been dying to role scum since he started playing again.

[Ircher]

Thanks for your honesty and for what you did run.

The game was fun for the most part. And like Cakez said, it was very unlikely we would have won.
Here was our hydra PT for the game.