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[UnaBombaH]

And it’s easier to fake game theory than day long bread crumbing.

Wait what? Day long crumbing? Did I check the wrong ISO, or were there only like 3/4 posts before they were claiming?
Not THAT hard to do.

[UnaBombaH]

People have been complaining a lot, and blaming many things, but I'd argue that the biggest mistake Town has made here, is tunneling on scenarios and then falling for conf.bias when "reading". I was just called apathetic few posts ago, but I have the 4th most posts, and despite falling to prod-range I've been active otherwise.
Me not voting yet is simply wanting to see/hear everything possible without getting stuck to theory first.
I'll give a few examples within 24hours.
But most of all, we need the Ruby-slot to do something.
It's unfair for us if that slot can skate their way to a potential LyLo without committing to a longer read and providing content.

[UnaBombaH]

Like, consider the players forming these current frontlines around the competing claims.
They can't all be scum, so some of them just have to be wrong. That is fine in itself, obviously, but the fervor they have is worrying, considering none of them SHOULD be informed about the roles claimed.
And someone like Prana making posts that mix competing scenarios to make a case FOR one of them while discrediting the other..? It obviously makes this a mess to read, because I can't say whether they are scum narrating for an agenda, or just a townie getting too riled up.
The other slot that really worries me is mavs.
They managed to be the most obv.townie player to me earlier based on their posts alone, but today.. It's not just the fact they are Dead sure Pers is scum here, but the fact that they use bad logic and reasoning to reach it.
I still do not understand the logic some people have used here regarding claims and fakeclaims anyway.

Scum can have power roles AND claim their roles truthfully AND still lie about their targets and results.
Scum can be Vanilla AND still claim PRs BECAUSE they have some information that they can use as a basis.
Simply walking past stuff like this ^ is why scum get away with their fakeclaims all the time.

[UnaBombaH]

All that being said, I'm in a weird spot where I really don't think popopo or their "supporters" are that believable or towny at all, BUT I'm meaning towards Persivul being the more reasonable lynch here anyway.

[Persivul]

And someone like Prana making posts that mix competing scenarios to make a case FOR one of them while discrediting the other..? It obviously makes this a mess to read, because I can't say whether they are scum narrating for an agenda, or just a townie getting too riled up.

Like I said, no lynch is ideal for scum here. If I'm flipped, that's going to be prana's defense - that popo's scum buddy wouldn't defend so hard.

The other slot that really worries me is mavs.
They managed to be the most obv.townie player to me earlier based on their posts alone, but today.. It's not just the fact they are Dead sure Pers is scum here, but the fact that they use bad logic and reasoning to reach it.

mavs is completely town, and completely wrong. Yes, that's worrisome, which is why I've repeatedly said that, as conftown after my flip, if he isn't NK'd, he has to ask himself why, and reevaluate his reads. Whether he's capable of doing that - we'll see.

[Knightmare491]

I want the riabi slot to come in the thread and do SOMETHING

[PranaDevil]

Like I said, no lynch is ideal for scum here..

I mean... obviously.

Because that means you stayed alive, and scum still have their full team. If there's a lynch, scum are down one, and tomorrow they lose another too.

I want the riabi slot to come in the thread and do SOMETHING

This too... like seriously... why replace in if you can't play the game?

[Persivul]

All that being said, I'm in a weird spot where I really don't think popopo or their "supporters" are that believable or towny at all, BUT I'm meaning towards Persivul being the more reasonable lynch here anyway.

More reasonable? Do tell. How is it more reasonable or beneficial to lynch town over scum? Lynching popo and maintaining one allowable mislynch is FAR superior.

That said, with 3 scum plus mavs, it's doubtful the other 4 of you will come together on popo, especially with ruby absent. That's why I'm playing with a focus on endgame without me here.

[Persivul]

im still down to get on knightmare but i really dont see why we dont lynch persi today.

This shows two things:
1. popo, who supposedly had a guilty on me, was OK lynching someone other than me

2. knightmare is probably town

[Persivul]

Mavs and persivul are either super confirmed PR, or literally the scumteam.

Yep.

[Persivul]

...Why do you people insist on making this game more complicated than it really is?

farside was shot. She suspected Panda/Luca/Persi. Both Panda's and Luca's slots are horrible (I'd argue Panda's more so than Luca, but ya know). We swing there. Persi and mavs are of the same alignment, they're de facto cleared Town, and if (and that's a really really big if) they're scum,

it will be obvious later once actual Town PRs start coming to light.

I'm hesitant on Luca/Panda and

I don't think she was killed for her scum reads

. She seemed like a really obvTown player that would have easily been taken to LyLo. I think Scum thought she was an easy target to take out. But NKA is tricky because you have to know the mind behind the kills too. Some people take out Strong Townies they don't want to compete with late game, some take out people shit tunneling them.

VOTE: popo

The fact that Farside was NK'd n1 over an IC has to be a tell.

The only alive players from her scumreads are Persi and Luca/popo

.

Just a reminder.

[PranaDevil]

All that being said, I'm in a weird spot where I really don't think popopo or their "supporters" are that believable or towny at all, BUT I'm meaning towards Persivul being the more reasonable lynch here anyway.

More reasonable? Do tell. How is it more reasonable or beneficial to lynch town over scum? Lynching popo and maintaining one allowable mislynch is FAR superior.

That said, with 3 scum plus mavs, it's doubtful the other 4 of you will come together on popo, especially with ruby absent. That's why I'm playing with a focus on endgame without me here.

Ruby is town, cheers for the help.

[Tanner]

popo is avoiding the thread to not give out associates towards his scumbuddies when he flips Red? Good catch, Prana!

[popopopopopopo]

there is nothing left for me to say until the scum is lynched. ive said already i dont wanna give out hints as to who im gonna track.

[Persivul]

Ruby Red has been prodded.

mod, can we get a deadline extension?

[PranaDevil]

popo is avoiding the thread to not give out associates towards his scumbuddies when he flips Red? Good catch, Prana!

Persivul literally just announced Ruby as town there.

Otherwise, why would we struggle to lynch scum if Ruby was scum?

[Persivul]

That's about as insightful as your

rolecop is negative utility

observation.

It's well known that my scum team is popo, you, and george. That makes ruby town to me. But keep going - when I flip, you gonna have some splainin to do.

[PranaDevil]

It's almost like you are taking my comments entirely out of context to further your own agenda...

Oh no it's EXACTLY like that.

Bit like how you, and others, tried to make out popo just "happened" to choose a role that gets you lynched instead... but yet ignore that they did a flip on my alignment at the same time, which was clearly designed to steer people away from me, and towards you, in the event of their flip.

You flip red now, me and popo are as good as conf-town as can be.

[Persivul]

Bit like how you, and others, tried to make out popo just "happened" to choose a role that gets you lynched instead...

but yet ignore that they did a flip on my alignment at the same time, which was clearly designed to steer people away from me

, and towards you, in the event of their flip.

You flip red now, me and popo are as good as conf-town as can be.

Oh, I'm not ignoring that at all. CLEARLY DESIGNED. Your words.

[PranaDevil]

Oh no, you did ignore it, because it was at the same time popo was breadcrumbing they had a guilty on you.

Don't worry, when you flip red this game should be sewn up.

[Persivul]

Vote Count 3.3

Ruby Red

Riabi

(0)

GeorgeBailey (1)Ruby Red;

mavsfan41 (0)

popopopopopopo

Luca Blight

(2)Tanner;Persivul;

UnaBombaH (0)

PranaDevil (0)

Knightmare491 (0)

Persivul (3)PranaDevil;popopopopopopo;mavsfan41;

Tanner (0)

NoLynch(0)

Not Voting(3):UnaBombaH;Knightmare491;GeorgeBailey;

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.
Day 3 ends in (expired on 2020-05-11 11:14:00) or when a lynch has been achieved.

Ruby Red has been prodded.

OK Ruby should be replaced now.

[UnaBombaH]

I know it's a hassle to get good replacements into games, but I really hope we also get an extension for this.
Town always loses ground whenever there are lurkers/coasters who are allowed to surf until lategame.

Disclaimer:

I do not imply that Ruby has been intentionally dodging the game, nor that anyone else previously has.
But the fact is we can't/shouldn't make guesses either.
If someone is not here, they should be prodded->replaced.
Sometimes real life gets ahead of playing, and getting replaced in a game isn't the end of the world if you're really dealing with something else.

[Persivul]

I just PM'd mod about a replacement and a deadline. This is bad modding considering the gamestate, unless as you disclaim there's a RL crisis or something.

[Persivul]

I agree that we all want to hear from that slot. But still, I don't see where you really need to hear from that slot to make up your own mind between me and popo. All the facts are there.

[PranaDevil]

I agree that we all want to hear from that slot. But still, I don't see where you really need to hear from that slot to make up your own mind between me and popo. All the facts are there.

I get a feeling it's more "would rather not go to night without everyone" than "I require hearing from that slot right now".

Also, everyone responding to the situation is good in advance of the next day phase, it's much easier for someone to say "I knew that would be the result" after the fact, than making them comment on it before a lynch.

Like I said day one. More information is better for town, never worse.