Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Freddiethelady]

we are already closing in on 3 days. have you figured out who is scum yet?

How are we on day three? Are you being sarcastic?

[Freddiethelady]

we are already closing in on 3 days. have you figured out who is scum yet?

How are we on day three? Are you being sarcastic?

Does each vote-count from Elmo count as a day?

[lilith2013]

I'm happy to answer theory questions, votato seems to have it well in hand though so I haven't felt the need to write up long-winded explanations. If you feel like there are questions still out there that haven't been addressed that I should be answering, please point those out to me and I can write stuff up.

My main goal thus far has been to get us out of RVS, which I think I've effectively done with my gibus vote. Do you disagree?

[Freddiethelady]

I do not. That’s fair!

[votato]

we are already closing in on 3 days. have you figured out who is scum yet?

How are we on day three? Are you being sarcastic?

the game started thursday night/friday morning. The end of three real life days (the proposed deadline) would therefore fall sunday night/monday morning. i guess we restarted so maybe monday midday. still, thats very close.

who is lilith defending? what isnt fair? i guess i could see why you might see that lilith is not being very patient with the newbies, but i dont think she's being unfair. i might have missed something.

[Freddiethelady]

well ideally you progress towards finding out who. My point though is that since we have no content so far, it would be really bad to have a deadline in 36 hours. you should share your thoughts and vote based on them. its ok to be wrong, but sharing your thoughts is good to get the game moving, and is a way to help convince others that youre town. if you decide youre wrong, you can always change your mind later.

@lilith, why hop on the gibus wagon?

I wanted to see how people reacted to my vote

Mmh, alright. Just a way to prep the game fully with thought contributions before NKs start I suppose.

Well, my current impressions:
I talked about trusting votato earlier, their behavior still holds I think. Giving pro-town advice, calling out disruptive behavior, asking people to justify stances etc.
Freddie too, maybe. Why did Formerfish say to ask you why he voted Brass in the original day 1, by the way, do you know?

Gibus.. is sus. I was reading some guides and games and it seems one of the tells for mafia is changing votes quickly without conviction.. it's almost like he just wants anyone to get lynched and doesn't care who. But then again could just be impatience with rvs (which is also supposed to be mafia behavior?).
Also, Ironcat, Formerfish, and Lilith haven't been posting much recently or just did it to vote bandwagon, and mafia is supposed to want to lurk more iirc to not draw attention? So I guess I'm keeping my vote on Lilith for now even though I initially did it for a silly rvs reason.

^^^ this is a reaction I’m interested in.
- you call gibus suspicious but are also fencesitty about it
- then you say you are now voting me seriously for being on the wagon of someone you think is suspicious

Can you explain why 1) you are voting me and not the other two “lurkers”? 2) why you are voting me for “lurking” over gibus whom you think is suspicious for actual reasons? (“Lurking” in quotes because I’ve been posting and so has iamironcat, and I don’t think lack of wallposts this early is alignment indicative)

@votato she’s defending ironcat in #2 of her “can you explain”...and i meant ”that’sfair” as a figure of speech, as in, “you’ve made a valid point” and ”I was in the wrong” or “that is a valid point”.

[Freddiethelady]

I'm happy to answer theory questions, votato seems to have it well in hand though so I haven't felt the need to write up long-winded explanations. If you feel like there are questions still out there that haven't been addressed that I should be answering, please point those out to me and I can write stuff up.

My main goal thus far has been to get us out of RVS, which I think I've effectively done with my gibus vote. Do you disagree?

@votato in my haste to answer your question I forgot to cite this post which was what I was responding to when I said “that’s fair” so to reiterate my point:, I was saying she was right and she made a valid point in this posts

[votato]

haha im super dyslexic or something. i read that as "I do. That's not fair." or something. anyway i dont see lilith as defending anyone. Just seeing something she didnt like and asking questions to clarify.

[Freddiethelady]

Haha it happens to me all the time @votato!

[lilith2013]

well ideally you progress towards finding out who. My point though is that since we have no content so far, it would be really bad to have a deadline in 36 hours. you should share your thoughts and vote based on them. its ok to be wrong, but sharing your thoughts is good to get the game moving, and is a way to help convince others that youre town. if you decide youre wrong, you can always change your mind later.

@lilith, why hop on the gibus wagon?

I wanted to see how people reacted to my vote

Mmh, alright. Just a way to prep the game fully with thought contributions before NKs start I suppose.

Well, my current impressions:
I talked about trusting votato earlier, their behavior still holds I think. Giving pro-town advice, calling out disruptive behavior, asking people to justify stances etc.
Freddie too, maybe. Why did Formerfish say to ask you why he voted Brass in the original day 1, by the way, do you know?

Gibus.. is sus. I was reading some guides and games and it seems one of the tells for mafia is changing votes quickly without conviction.. it's almost like he just wants anyone to get lynched and doesn't care who. But then again could just be impatience with rvs (which is also supposed to be mafia behavior?).
Also, Ironcat, Formerfish, and Lilith haven't been posting much recently or just did it to vote bandwagon, and mafia is supposed to want to lurk more iirc to not draw attention? So I guess I'm keeping my vote on Lilith for now even though I initially did it for a silly rvs reason.

^^^ this is a reaction I’m interested in.
- you call gibus suspicious but are also fencesitty about it
- then you say you are now voting me seriously for being on the wagon of someone you think is suspicious

Can you explain why 1) you are voting me and not the other two “lurkers”? 2) why you are voting me for “lurking” over gibus whom you think is suspicious for actual reasons? (“Lurking” in quotes because I’ve been posting and so has iamironcat, and I don’t think lack of wallposts this early is alignment indicative)

@votato she’s defending ironcat in #2 of her “can you explain”...and i meant ”that’sfair” as a figure of speech, as in, “you’ve made a valid point” and ”I was in the wrong” or “that is a valid point”.

I don't really think I'm defending ironcat at all, I was using the word lurkers because feathers was using that word to refer to specific people, but I wanted to point out that I also don't agree with the categorization of those people as lurkers.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

No Picture just A Mp4

Votecount 1.03

Formerfish (1)

- Brassherald,

gibus (3)

- votato, lilith2013, feathers

Brassherald (1)

- gibus,

lilith2013 (2)

- , iamironcat

Iamironcat (1)

- Freddiethelady

Not Voting (2) -

lillili, Formerfish
With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is paused at 10 days until all players have confirmed.

(expired on 2020-05-10 08:00:00) For lililili To Confirm before I look for a replacement

Does each vote-count from Elmo count as a day?

Most times yes. Just depends.

[feathers]

Okay, thanks, that makes sense. She was just on my 'sus list' because she haven't posted as much content. I don't really know that many ways to tell who the mafia are, just some tips I read. Anyhow I was just sharing thoughts and don't have a lot of solid ideas rn, but I guess I suspect lilith a bit less now. I'll change my vote to

VOTE: Gibus

then, he's my most sus for now. I think the paranoia is getting to me already heh.

@Elmo: I had switched my vote to Gibus here. Should I have added something else besides bolding the text to make it clearer?

[iamironcat]

Gibus you’re like a ping pong ball with your votes. It’s looking sloppy and thoughtless. At some point I’m going to ask you to justify that. Are you prepared to do that?

It's RVS, scum

VOTE:

Freddiethelady

[feathers]

How do you do the white background for your vote?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

How do you do the white background for your vote?

Vote tags. And if anything just put it on its own line. If you do it in a wall post I'm odds are unlikely to see it. Just as I'm looking for line breaks. I'll have to make a note to edit my rules for that one.

[iamironcat]

I bolded it on my end.
That being said, it's quite clear that Freddie is scum since they're trying to buddy me with Lilith. Also saying I'm lurking which is false, my time zone is on the other side of the world. By the time I get online, there's not much for me to contribute to. If you want to say that's scummy, it's fine but there's more town than scum here.

Imma stick to my vote this time, mostly coming out of RVS.

[feathers]

Mm, I see, Elmo. Well, just to be clear for easy future reference:

VOTE: VOTE: Gibus

(reasoning explained in #122)

Yeah I fixed it in the VC

[gibus]

I’m trying to learn the distinction also. its like throwing darts at a wall. I think the simple answer is that scum will try to be as inconspicuous as possible. Paying close attention to what a person says and how they say can Give you subtle hints. I’m not good at this yet but a healthy dose of skepticism will help you start to weed out leading clues vs gibberish. It’s not rocket surgery but it does take some practice.

Nice perspective, I'll keep that in mind.

mafia is a game of probabilities. everything is probabilistic. The reason you get a bunch of wagons and posts and arguments going during the day-phase is so you have content and interactions to evaluate. You look at people's thought progressions and interactions with other players, and how they move their votes. All of that gives you clues. And yes, its unlikely to find scum on the first day. But its important to get people to express their thoughts so that on day 2 you can evaluate their thoughts in combination with the "flips" - the people who died. An SE might be able to be more helpful. The point is though, its important for town that everyone contributes, posts, votes, shares their thoughts, and interacts with other players.

Also, apparently lynching scum on day 1 actually lowers the win percentage for town. That might not be true in newbie lobbies though.

Thanks, nice explanation. I assumed perfect play from scum all the time, but that's not true.

Only experience will teach me how to distinguish I guess.

[gibus]

I'm at L-2

[gibus]

I'm convinced that at least one of lilith/Freddiethelady is town.

[votato]

I'm convinced that at least one of lilith/Freddiethelady is town.

why?

[gibus]

well ideally you progress towards finding out who. My point though is that since we have no content so far, it would be really bad to have a deadline in 36 hours. you should share your thoughts and vote based on them. its ok to be wrong, but sharing your thoughts is good to get the game moving, and is a way to help convince others that youre town. if you decide youre wrong, you can always change your mind later.

@lilith, why hop on the gibus wagon?

I wanted to see how people reacted to my vote

Mmh, alright. Just a way to prep the game fully with thought contributions before NKs start I suppose.

Well, my current impressions:
I talked about trusting votato earlier, their behavior still holds I think. Giving pro-town advice, calling out disruptive behavior, asking people to justify stances etc.
Freddie too, maybe. Why did Formerfish say to ask you why he voted Brass in the original day 1, by the way, do you know?

Gibus.. is sus. I was reading some guides and games and it seems one of the tells for mafia is changing votes quickly without conviction.. it's almost like he just wants anyone to get lynched and doesn't care who. But then again could just be impatience with rvs (which is also supposed to be mafia behavior?).
Also, Ironcat, Formerfish, and Lilith haven't been posting much recently or just did it to vote bandwagon, and mafia is supposed to want to lurk more iirc to not draw attention? So I guess I'm keeping my vote on Lilith for now even though I initially did it for a silly rvs reason.

^^^ this is a reaction I’m interested in.
- you call gibus suspicious but are also fencesitty about it
- then you say you are now voting me seriously for being on the wagon of someone you think is suspicious

Can you explain why 1) you are voting me and not the other two “lurkers”? 2) why you are voting me for “lurking” over gibus whom you think is suspicious for actual reasons? (“Lurking” in quotes because I’ve been posting and so has iamironcat, and I don’t think lack of wallposts this early is alignment indicative)

@votato she’s defending ironcat in #2 of her “can you explain”...and i meant ”that’sfair” as a figure of speech, as in, “you’ve made a valid point” and ”I was in the wrong” or “that is a valid point”.

I don't really think I'm defending ironcat at all, I was using the word lurkers because feathers was using that word to refer to specific people, but I wanted to point out that I also don't agree with the categorization of those people as lurkers.

This looks like something they would have gone through in a PT if they both were scum.

[gibus]

Possibly distancing, but there's little chance for that since lilith planned on leaving RVS by voting for me, and shifting the spotlight to both of them would look bad as scum.

[iamironcat]

It's funny how freddie is saying that filiiping is a mafia move - like that's the last thing they would do.
That being said, if I get killed tonight, investigate Lilith. I have a FOS on them.
It might be possible they would put the blame on Freddie.

[iamironcat]

It's funny how freddie is saying that filiiping is a mafia move - like that's the last thing they would do.
That being said, if I get killed tonight, investigate Lilith. I have a FOS on them.
It might be possible they would put the blame on Freddie.

derp flipping*