Mini Normal 2132 [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

I meant, is 1529 his complete breakdown of his Adorable read. I don't see how making a 2-sentence read on a player, and asking a single question would lead to burnout if done for 4 players at the same time. It feels like he either doesn't want to play the game anymore or he's stalling.

Well there’s REALLY not much from that slot to work with. So no there’s no follow-up in the sense you’re asking.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also say what you want, pretty sure I wasn’t prodded

[clidd]

So Adorable is your FoS/SR ?

[Gamma Emerald]

No I explicitly called them a townread
If you’re going to call hammer fucking read please

[clidd]

I'm testing your reaction. I still haven't felt anything towny coming from you.

[clidd]

Actually, I think you are lying in bad faith about your absence.

[clidd]

Your amnesia about the scum game I mentioned is convenient.

[clidd]

And post 1529 didn't add anything, just filled space. I mentalized the answer in seconds, so I don't know what the question was for.

[Klick]

Votecount 3.3

Gamma Emerald (3): Hectic, bob3141, profii
Wake88 (1): LuckyLuciano
LuckyLuciano (1): Wake88
profii (0):
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
clidd (0):
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting: Adorable, clidd, Morning Tweet, Gamma Emerald

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-05-13 23:30:00).

LuckyLuciano has been prodded.
Wake88 has been prodded. As this is his third prod, I have begun searching for a replacement. He may retain his slot if he returns before I find a replacement.

[clidd]

I don't need to mention your claim out of context, do I ?

[Wake1]

I'm here.

*Sigh*

[Wake1]

VOTE: Gamma

[Wake1]

Lucky, what are you doing?

Are you going to vote Gamma or keep your vote on me?

[clidd]

L-1

Last words, Gamma ?

[clidd]

You have 5~6 hours.

[LuckyLuciano]

I was taking a day off from mafia, sorry. VOTE: Gamma.

[Klick]

Votecount 3.4

Gamma Emerald (5): Hectic, bob3141, profii, Wake88, LuckyLuciano
Wake88 (0):
LuckyLuciano (0):
profii (0):
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
clidd (0):
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting: Adorable, clidd, Morning Tweet, Gamma Emerald

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.

[Klick]

Gamma Emerald has been lynched. He was a

Town Ascetic

.

Spoiler: Gamma Emerald's Role PM

Gamma Emerald

Welcome to Mini Normal 2132,

Gamma Emerald

. You are a

Town Ascetic

.

Each Day, you may talk with the other players in the game thread and vote for whoever you would like to lynch.
In addition, you are immune to all Night actions except kills.

You are aligned with the

Town

. You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated, and at least one

Town

player lives.

Please confirm your role name and your alignment to me via PM.

You can find the game thread here.

It is now Night 3.

Please submit any and all Night Actions to me within (expired on 2020-05-09 22:00:00).

[Klick]

Hectic was killed during the Night. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Spoiler: Hectic's Role PM

Hectic

Welcome to Mini Normal 2132,

Hectic

. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Each Day, you may talk with the other players in the game thread and vote for whoever you would like to lynch.
Aside from that, you have no special abilities.

You are aligned with the

Town

. You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated, and at least one

Town

player lives.

Please confirm your role name and your alignment to me via PM.

You can find the game thread here.

[Klick]

Votecount 4.1

profii (0):
LuckyLuciano (0):
Adorable (0):
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):
clidd (0):
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting: profii, LuckyLuciano, Adorable, bob3141, Wake88, clidd, Morning Tweet

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-05-19 22:00:00).

[Morning Tweet]

(;﹏;) hectic..

Spoiler: the game

TOWN BLOCK //
Clidd

TOWN LEAN //
Hectic

ROLE CLAIMS //
Wake - Voted Alo D1, Voted Creature D2, (considered Lucky D3)
Lucky/Dave - Voted Alo D1, Voted Creature D2, (considered Wake D3)

VT CLAIMS //
Profii - Voted Chem D1, Voted Creature D2, (considered Wake D3 and Lucky D2)
Bob - Voted Dave D1, Voted Creature D2
Adorable/Cat - Voted Chem D1, Voted Gamma D2

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Spoiler: Clidd

I would be highly surprised if clidd-Alo is scum this game. It’s highly unlikely that the only two wagons with any semblence of pressure on day 1 are both on scum.

Additionally since the replace-in, i’ve found myself agreeing with clidd for the most part. His reads in 1341 are similar to my own reads prior to Gamma flip

Clidd also does somewhat of a slip in 1493 where he uses a post from his personal PT that has broken post links. it’s technically possible clidd went through the effort of creating one as scum just to do that, but i think it’s vastly more likely clidd is just town here

Spoiler: Hectic

Hectic created the original case on tictac at a time when tictac could have survived if Alo was pushed harder. I feel hectic is more likely to be town than a hard busser. However, that doesn't clear him like it does for clidd. I can see a world where scum hard busses a teammate far more easily than a world where the only 2 d1 suspects are scum

Hectic and I downplayed our townreads on each other as a tactic to survive longer and then surprise scum later. I originally wrote that with the intention of downplaying his towniness. My actual townread on Hectic was quite strong. I think the lack of scum daytalk means Hectic couldn't have coordinated that bus with tictac. That, and he has been really helpful in my hood. I'll use this to post Hectic's last thoughts instead.

I shared a bunch of this analysis i've been making with him last night. Originally i didn't even consider the thought of both Wake and Lucky being town. Hectic believed it was most likely that there's two scum in profii/adorable/bob. Wake and Lucky can both be town since Gamma and sircake's roles are negative utility. He also agreed with my analysis on Wake being town.

he made a reminder for later, check out how Wake played his previous scum game.

He said that he'll spend more time trying to solve this game if he is alive tomorrow.

sniff

And finally, when i asked him not to leave me, he said he wasn't planning on it. The last thing he posted was an ascii art of mario holding a bat

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Spoiler: Wake

If wake is scum, why would he out davesaz and I in the main thread? And then he begins to push davesaz (or me as an alternative). After either of our flips, he’d look bad, but he’d probably then push the other PR. Even best-case scenario and Wake manages to mislynch both dave and I, was it worth the unnecessary risk? This is a negative gambit for scum!Wake unless it’s for WIFOM.


1276 - Wake would prefer to lynch dave/Morning but will compromise on Creature

Wake is convinced at this point in the game that either dave or I am scum and finds it unlikely we’re all three town. This is odd, but i think Wake does this simply because he thinks there’s a limited amount of PRs from his personal setup spec.


1346 - Wake claims that he watched davesaz be visited by HoldenGolden


1352 - Wake rebukes dave’s post saying that Wake is town because dave survived. Wake reminds dave that dave is not confirmed town

I think that post by dave looks bad now and Wake is correct here


1380 - Wake proposes finding scum by checking who refused to join the tictac/chemist wagon and also joined the creature wagon. Wake thinks davesaz-Lucky is scum. He has lesser suspicions on Hectic, Morning, and Gamma. He votes davesaz

Again, this tunnel on dave seems like it’d be a bad move as scum. Just as revealing dave and I would be a bad move as scum


1385 - Wake asks dave if he needs time formulating a full claim

Babysitter was a claim that made a lot of sense. Dave did wait to claim it, which in hindsight could be because he was uncomfortable with fake claiming. I did not really think that was a possibility at the time though, Wake seems to have an eye for this thing apparently. That or he’s just scum making stuff up


1386 - Wake calls dave’s rage fake

It didn’t really come across as fake to me. Again, Wake saw dave’s likelihood of being scum as high before most of the game. I wonder if this is due to an ulterior motive, but like, it doesn’t seem like a good play if Wake is scum. But then again, Wake revealing 2 PRs wasn’t a good play as town either.

Overall I heavily lean on Wake being town. Unless i unearth a previous scumgame of wake pulling a WIFOM tactic like this

Spoiler: Lucky

I think setup-wise, lucky is more likely to be scum. Watcher can somewhat fulfill the role of a town protective.

Actually reading through this, all Lucky did was death tunnel push Gamma. Not really scummy on its own but seems a bit narrowminded. He seems to justify this as he believes that gamma is 100% scum and he’s going to get nightkilled


1435/1453/1457/1462 - Lucky seems pretty convinced already that Gamma is scum

This is how i felt yesterday as well. But i had a huge case built up from previous days. Lucky had just replaced in. it’s odd that he already felt so strongly about Gamma, but i originally chalked it up to him thinking that he'd die at night due to his role and that'd be it


1474/1485/1489 - Lucky spends many posts inquiring why Morning is town in this setup.

In the event that lucky is scum, this makes sense. I’d expect the scum of Lucky/Wake to push one of the other PRs. Wake is pushing Lucky, while Lucky is pushing me. Wake has consistently been suspicious of dave since d2. For Wake i actually see it as more of a town thing though. if wake is scum, it'd look bad if he immediately got a town PR lynched


1501 - Lucky feels clidd accidentally confirmed himself as town

I tend to agree here. Clidd is 95% town


1514 - Lucky tells Gamma that he hasn’t read his play. He’s just following the votes

Does Lucky always solely rely on VCA? telling Gamma he hasn’t even read his posts is a bit of a slap in the face for gamma lol. I could see this potentially being an easy pass for scum!Lucky to vote Gamma without having to justify it so much.


1533 - Lucky basically says “that’s it?” to Gamma

Yeah pretty much.

Both dave and Wake were off-wagon d1. Out of the VTs minus clidd, profii and Adorable were on-wagon and bob was off-wagon d1

I think it is most likely one of the PR claims is scum + one in bob/profii/adorable.

Between Wake and dave, i feel its dave simply because Wake scum sounds so unlikely given his gambit. However, my issue with this is that dave’s AtE on day 2 felt real. Why would he get so mad as scum as opposed to frustrated town? Dave seemed towny from his reaction. Another problem that arises is Lucky’s behaviour on D3. He pretty much just seemed fine tunneling Gamma and “getting nightkilled”. Would Lucky have done this after entering the thread upon receiving a scum role PM?

it is possible that there is 2 scum within profii/bob/Adorable. Gamma’s role was a negative town utility, as was SirCake’s. The setup could still be balanced with Babysitter/Rolecop/Watcher/Enabled Neighbourizer + --Enabler --Ascetic Townie. I assume scum would have at least one strong PR to combat this however.

This leaves room for 4 VTs. That’s not very many compared to the PRs, so it’d make the setup very unconventional compared to the other games of this size i've read. It makes me think i’m more likely to be wrong on Wake/dave and there is only 1 scum in adorable/profii/bob.

Another argument for 1 scum being in Wake/dave is actually the VT claims. If we have a town rolecop/babysitter/watcher/neighbourizer, wouldn’t a scum PR claim a role other than VT to make it so it's impossible to decipher who the scum PR is? Admittedly this is the point im least sure about, they might just claim VT

Conclusion: I think overall the most likely scenario is one of Lucky/Wake is scum with one of profii/bob/adorable. I believe it is Lucky since Wake has such a high likelihood of not being scum.
HOWEVER: it is possible for two scum to be in profii/bob/adorable if the setup has an unusually low number of VTs and scum has some strong PR power to balance it. im not sure if this is a thing that happens however. That's 4 VTs.

I am going to look further into profii/bob/adorable before doing anything else. There's 1 if not 2 scum in there and i haven't reread them

[bob3141]

I do find that night kill odd.

The fact that scum didnt try and kill any pr but instead killed outside.

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: Profii

1414 - Profii theorizes the scumteam is {Wake, Hectic}
those are my two of my highest townreads man!

1426 - Profii questions why the N2 wasn't blocked.
I'm unsure what he means by this. Is this surprise that there was a death N2?

1494/1498 - Profii considers scum neighbourizer being in the setup to grant scum a way to have daytalk
At first, i didn't think much of this. But now that i'm considering it more, that sounds like a weird way to design a setup.

additionally, I do not like the suspicion on Hectic that he creates with this theory. It both requires a scum neighbourizer being in the setup (which isn't here), AND it requires that the scum neighbourizer recruits scum. from town!profii PoV, that'd be a large stretch to suspect hectic

Overall i feel like trying to incorporate hectic into the lynchpool looks forced. Hectic back and forth on his profii read quite a bit, but last night he decided that in profii/bob/adorable, profii is most likely. We didn't get down to discussing it but im starting to see why he thought that

1536 - "I said to myself I'd tunnel Wake for most of the day and my continued survival would be a sign that scum want me to continue to do so and I'm wrong but I'm already bored of that strategy."

I am really confused why profii is going after Wake in the first place. But not only that, profii is considering that his continuing to be alive could be intentional in order for him to attack Wake.

i feel like this might be a way for him to comfortably tunnel Wake but also sound like he was having an internal struggle over it if wake is lynched/dies. What causes town!profii to think he would die if Wake is scum?

@profii, in 1426 were you talking about the nightkill?

Also @profii, Do you still feel the same way you did in 1536? I.e. suspecting Wake but also worried that scum is intentionally letting you attack Wake

[clidd]

[clidd]

I was still hoping to get some emotional expression from Gamma, but I believe that the lynch was inevitable, regardless of what he showed within the stipulated period of time. Hectic was my strongest TL and his elimination is probably connected to the scum's desire to keep a partner in disguise among the PRs and hinder the PoE process, which gives more strength to what Morning commented above, of the scum pair being a player between the PRs and one among the VTs. However, at the Dave/Wake case, I really felt that Dave's emotional appeal was more expressive, so in my conception Wake is more likely to be scum. I find it difficult that both scums are among the VTs (otherwise they would have eliminated a PR and not a VT). I intend to work with these speculations more actively tomorrow, when my head is clearer and free from the percentage of alcohol I have consumed during the day.