Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[votato]

hence my town reads on gibus and feathers lol

[feathers]

The game usually goes like this:
Everyone is scum unless proven otherwise = despite there are only 2-ish scums here.. I'm also a suspect for posting during my time zone + participating in RVS but I'm not asking them why do they vote me because we're trying to come out of RVS.

I think Ironcat is just phrasing his ideas in a different way right.. seems like his 'reads' is just for a lack of positive evidence aka 'people who have posted/voted enough to be analyzed, but not cleared for townspeople yet'. He doesn't actually mean he already thinks over half of the group is strongly mafia.

Honestly I'm beginning to think Ironcat's a townsperson now. His method is pretty wack but he really believes in it, and has been really active and not afraid to push opinions and names out there, even if they're getting really controversial. I feel like a mafia member doesn't really want to do that.

Hopefully this doesn't end up biting me in the back..

[Formerfish]

It’s also making you an easy target

Do you often key in on low hanging fruit and threaten the thread to play at surface level only? Asking for a friend.

Can someone tell me how D1 lynch is not a purely probabilistic kill?

Flips give us information that we need to complete the puzzle that this game is.

Right now all town members know only their own role and alignment, while scum knows each others and all of ours. By pushing wagons we are able to see who votes where and who doesn't. Once we have a few flips we'll have a better understanding of the game and we can use our powers of deduction and observation to figure out who scum is to a smaller and more manageable group to murder systematically during the day.

Or is that the point? Making people want to lynch to squeeze even more discussion out, just accepting we're killing a town for no reason?

All town doesn't need to be alive at the end of the game for them to win. Dead town wins with the town the same as alive people do. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but we aren't all making it out of this alive buddy.

I’m suspicious that Lilith is a little more experienced then she’s letting on.

Lil is an SE and thats marked clearly in the OP, what exactly is she doing to subvert your expectations of her play so far?

And @lilith you are posting only a little more then @iamironcat. It might not be AI but it seems interesting to me you jumped to protect ironcat so quickly.

This attack falls flat and has no conviction behind it. You should take a creative writing class if you wanna bone up on your scum chops.

Not trying to sort out the rules

Rule talk is something that scum engages in often, Lil not engaging on that bullshit is not scum indicative. I haven't read a rule set in fucking years and generally won't answer those kind of questions in thread unless its directed at me specifically. I look to see who answers peoples out of game questions like they are johnny on the fucking spot and i size them up for rope and then go to work.

[iamironcat]

I think Ironcat is just phrasing his ideas in a different way right.. seems like his 'reads' is just for a lack of positive evidence aka 'people who have posted/voted enough to be analyzed, but not cleared for townspeople yet'. He doesn't actually mean he already thinks over half of the group is strongly mafia.

Honestly I'm beginning to think Ironcat's a townsperson now. His method is pretty wack but he really believes in it, and has been really active and not afraid to push opinions and names out there, even if they're getting really controversial. I feel like a mafia member doesn't really want to do that.

Hopefully this doesn't end up biting me in the back..

I think scum would play the game close to the chest and not post out suspicions this early (?).
That being said, I've played this game on other places and this has a different feel like the whole RVS thing. On other places, people get really worked out with that but I personally find that fine.

I can't believe I'm saying this but Freddie is my town read atm but this opinion might change.
I'll try to gather more town reads when possible.

[Formerfish]

Quicksolve: brass, lilith, formerfish

How many newbie games have you played? I suggest more.

If I'm right that lilith's mafia, they could nk me or the others who suspect them and put the blame on Freddie since I suspected them.

This makes an odd amount of sense, but the thought that you would die over 3 SEs is puzzling. Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards.

Paranoia, poor logic, a scum list that's too long, no reasoning. You can scumread me for that if you want

I like you. You could still be scum and ill cry a single tear when you die, but i like you.

You should vote me for I am trash.

ftfy

[feathers]

I think scum would play the game close to the chest and not post out suspicions this early (?)

Yeah Ironcat that’s what I mean.. I’m thinking you’re town because you’re really putting out a bunch of strong and details suspicions early. So that’s like.. 2 out of 8 people I can trust rn, I guess that’s a start?

[Formerfish]

Only two scum in this game bud

I know, 2 out of the 3 I meant.

[feathers]

Votato what do you think about Ironcat? Were you just rvs voting him or are you suspecting he might be mafia?

[Formerfish]

What is your “solve” based on?

Elimination. I townread feathers, freddie and ironcat. Not sure about votato, but his vote on the mod for taking away his opportunity to be scum looks slightly convincing.

You eliminated the active people and suspect the people who havent voted much. Holy shit, you've cracked this game wide open.

Pushing to lynch any of the SEs is not a good look on you. It kinda makes it seem like you are just wanting to make us look bad in front of all the impressionable newbies. Are you the pied piper coming to take them all out of town to murder them? I think you have an ulterior motive to your list.

I can see how this can come more from scum than from town.

How does someone questioning your naked solve where youve eliminated active people and have left the three SEs as your POE come more from scum than town. If youre right you need to convince us to follow you and vote one of your three, doing that means that people are going to ask how you came to your conclusions. Not what you are saying. Thats bullshit.

If I'm wrong, then tell me what's the better way to root out the 2-ish scum?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Unvote

VOTE: Vote Gib

[Formerfish]

mod said that scum were revealed in a PT. that suggests to me that there were masons in the prior iteration. if they are still the same mason pair, then theyd figure out pretty quick that the scumpair were the same and that they knew who it was already.

Shhh... take this tin foil hat and join the group, Zultan will be with us shortly.

[Formerfish]

hence my town reads on gibus and feathers lol

At most, one of those guesses is right. The other is horribly horribly misplaced.

[Formerfish]

I need more Brass in my life. Vota is giving off good vibes. Lil hasn't pinged me yet. Replacement is a good suspect due to the whole issue of newbies replacing out of scum rolls in their first games. Feathers seems like newb town.

So freddie, gib and ironcat are who we should hang for the win currently.

[gibus]

What is your “solve” based on?

Elimination. I townread feathers, freddie and ironcat. Not sure about votato, but his vote on the mod for taking away his opportunity to be scum looks slightly convincing.

You eliminated the active people and suspect the people who havent voted much. Holy shit, you've cracked this game wide open.

Pushing to lynch any of the SEs is not a good look on you. It kinda makes it seem like you are just wanting to make us look bad in front of all the impressionable newbies. Are you the pied piper coming to take them all out of town to murder them? I think you have an ulterior motive to your list.

I can see how this can come more from scum than from town.

How does someone questioning your naked solve where youve eliminated active people and have left the three SEs as your POE come more from scum than town. If youre right you need to convince us to follow you and vote one of your three, doing that means that people are going to ask how you came to your conclusions. Not what you are saying. Thats bullshit.

It had nothing to do with the fact that you three are SE. The response I expected from you and lilith was just brushing it off as if it was rvs garbage, and from the three townreads some speculation on it so I can search for possible scumreads from them. Obviously I don't fully townread them and I think I've mentioned how it's meaningless for me to do so in D1.

[gibus]

How many newbie games have you played? I suggest more.

This is the first newb game lol

[gibus]

I feel like you have more votes than words posted. Fix that.

Noted

[iamironcat]

If I'm right that lilith's mafia, they could nk me or the others who suspect them and put the blame on Freddie since I suspected them.

This makes an odd amount of sense, but the thought that you would die over 3 SEs is puzzling. Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards.

I said "me or the others who suspect them" but you're changing it into a story about me being a celebrity here. Strange scum move.

[Formerfish]

It's funny how freddie is saying that filiiping is a mafia move - like that's the last thing they would do.
That being said,

if I get killed tonight

, investigate Lilith. I have a FOS on them.
It might be possible they would put the blame on Freddie.

Here you talk about yourself being killed tonight based off a random read from RVS within the first 10 pages.

Thats a lot of whatfuckingifs to check off to hit on the head. Hence why I mentioned that the idea that you would be the night kill as a puzzler.

Youre the person who thinks everyone is scum at first and we have to prove to you somehow that we arent, right?

[iamironcat]

Here you talk about yourself being killed tonight based off a random read from RVS within the first 10 pages.

Thats a lot of whatfuckingifs to check off to hit on the head. Hence why I mentioned that the idea that you would be the night kill as a puzzler.

Youre the person who thinks everyone is scum at first and we have to prove to you somehow that we arent, right?

Wasn't just talking about self but anyways.
It's easy to kill anyone who's town and I might be one of them. Mafia might either NK those who they might consider having a good lead or those who were accused by another town to set them up.
In this case, I used myself as an example for easy talking.

Not asking anyone to prove me personally that I'm not scum. Just talking about my process of elimination.

Also, you seem to be taking a lot of things personally - hence projecting them onto me.

[iamironcat]

Yeah Ironcat that’s what I mean.. I’m thinking you’re town because you’re really putting out a bunch of strong and details suspicions early. So that’s like.. 2 out of 8 people I can trust rn, I guess that’s a start?

Or you know, this is how things could go ~

1. Potential mafia person: I think this person x is town.
2. Person x gets NK'd.
3. Potential mafia person: I was saying that person x is innocent, who suspected them? Let's set them up!

I really can't use myself as an example for fish would be triggered so I use person x as an example despite it doesn't make sense.

[iamironcat]

Not asking anyone to prove me personally that I'm not scum. Just talking about my process of elimination.

its so easy to use my words "process of elimination" against me. So I'll clarify in advance

Eliminating my suspicion. It's a form of deduction.

[Formerfish]

Ironcat, please dont attempt to psychoanalyze me, my shrink does a fine job.

And the line about me being triggered, woo, thats a bit of gaslighting that i havent seen in awhile.

I suggest you ask around about me and see if anyone thinks that ive been triggered so far.

[Formerfish]

Not asking anyone to prove me personally that I'm not scum. Just talking about my process of elimination.

its so easy to use my words "process of elimination" against me. So I'll clarify in advance

Eliminating my suspicion. It's a form of deduction.

You seem worried, you worried?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Ironcat

Just to clarify, thats a vote on you for being overly concerned with how you appear to people.

[Formerfish]

But i guess im just triggered and this is nothing but an omgus vote. I suppose we shall see what it will be, because after you flip there'll be no more of your lip.