Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

CopyKat · Post Post #250 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:35 am

In post 248, votato wrote:I think you're posting on the wrong account. Please quote all this into your iso

huh?

CopyKat · Post Post #251 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:36 am

In post 249, votato wrote:also the things you guys town read me for are very easy to fake as scum

true but I'm willing to risk it for now

votato · Post Post #252 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:39 am

oh nevermind. Op just doesn't reflect that you repped and i forgot. My bad

CopyKat · Post Post #253 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:40 am

I'm not getting any strong scum reads from anybody right now so I'm trying to find town instead and figure out scum via PoE

votato · Post Post #254 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:42 am

Well you're scum, why not start there?

iamironcat · Post Post #255 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:42 am

In post 247, CopyKat wrote:
In post 245, iamironcat wrote:I'd be proud to be your scum buddy. Too bad I'm not.
Who is this directed to?

My favourite fishy friend!

brassherald · Post Post #256 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:47 am

VOTE: Gibus

Gut read, something is off with these posts.

CopyKat · Post Post #257 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:47 am

tinfoil hat theory: formerfish/ironcat scum pair. their back and forth so far is just theater.

CopyKat · Post Post #258 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:49 am

In post 256, brassherald wrote:VOTE: Gibus

Gut read, something is off with these posts.

maybe but does scum call out who they think is a mason pair in the game thread?

brassherald · Post Post #259 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:52 am

In post 258, CopyKat wrote:
In post 256, brassherald wrote:VOTE: Gibus

Gut read, something is off with these posts.
maybe but does scum call out who they think is a mason pair in the game thread?

Yes. Just because in the last set up gibus and I were masons, we have no confirmation that we are in the same set up.

Its strange that he's calling out possible mason pairs when town has no interest in outing PRs, or the lack thereof.

In mafia, the extra information that scum teams have is their biggest advantage, the fact is, as town, we need to work to deprive the scum of what little information we have that they do not, while also working to find scum.

Outing PRs is never a good idea as town, and is a scum move.

CopyKat · Post Post #260 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:57 am

In post 259, brassherald wrote:Outing PRs is never a good idea as town, and is a scum move.

agree 100% but doesn't scum post "votato and copycat are masons" in their scum PT and not here?

I think there is a difference between scum play and poor play.

brassherald · Post Post #261 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:00 am

In post 260, CopyKat wrote:
In post 259, brassherald wrote:Outing PRs is never a good idea as town, and is a scum move.
agree 100% but doesn't scum post "votato and copycat are masons" in their scum PT and not here?

I think there is a difference between scum play and poor play.

Its real easy for scum to hide behind bad play if you let scummy plays go as just bad play

iamironcat · Post Post #262 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:01 am

In post 257, CopyKat wrote:tinfoil hat theory: formerfish/ironcat scum pair. their back and forth so far is just theater.

If I were scum, I would try to talk to fish as little as possible and wouldn't dare say that it was unfortunate that they were not my scum buddy.
Anyways, I'm the paranoid android here so I can appreciate this tin foil hat mode

gibus · Post Post #263 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:05 am

In post 256, brassherald wrote:VOTE: Gibus

Gut read, something is off with these posts.

What is?

gibus · Post Post #264 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:08 am

Why is it bad for town to out masons? It can help in elimination so early lynches can be more accurate.

gibus · Post Post #265 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:09 am

If it doesn't make them more accurate, the mafia would waste night kills

votato · Post Post #266 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:11 am

thats not a waste of a night kill. thats a super useful role for late-game. as town generally you dont want anyone claimed because it helps scum PoE who town PRs are.

gibus · Post Post #267 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:12 am

In post 265, gibus wrote:If it doesn't make them more accurate, the mafia would waste night kills

waste night kills on VTs I meant

votato · Post Post #268 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:13 am

if mafia know who the masons are they arent shooting VTs.

brassherald · Post Post #269 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:14 am

In post 264, gibus wrote:Why is it bad for town to out masons? It can help in elimination so early lynches can be more accurate.

Because the PRs can reveal when they are actually up for lynches.

It's not town's job to say "This is the setup we are in, let's not lynch the PRs these are our PRs."

By outing PRs in the main thread, we are now making Mafia's job easier if you are right. Also, the fact is that now, if you are right, and one of them dies and is a mason, we do not have shit to go on tomorrow based on the NK. We would have been able to look at who the NK is and say "Who is most likely to kill this person?" if they are a PR, "Who was likely to guess they were a PR?"

That goes out the window.

Outing PRs is always anti town, there is no other way about it.

feathers · Post Post #270 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:26 am

In post 249, votato wrote:also the things you guys town read me for are very easy to fake as scum

I guess.. I don't really know a lot of nuanced techniques like some are doing here, I'm just trying to help with the process of elimination people are talking about. I might just wait for you guys to figure something out if I can't then give my vote as a +1 to help that way. Though I think you're more town for pointing out what you just said. (You could be trying to reverse-psychology that but I don't want to go down that rabbit hole, heh.)

In post 259, brassherald wrote: Its real easy for scum to hide behind bad play if you let scummy plays go as just bad play

Yeah I think I agree with this. I'm not sure of anyone being mafia but Gibus is one of the only people I can find good reasons to suspect rn, just kinda tripping a lot of flags. I know that everything he's doing from the vote switching/spamming to the mason reveals could just be inexperience but it's kind of a lot together, and I don't know how much I want to assume inexperience, because even the people who aren't labeled as SEs like votato and freddie are talking like they know what they're doing. Also Fish seems like he's very experienced and he was suspecting Gibus immediately as well.

gibus · Post Post #271 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:30 am

My guess that copykat could be a mason holds no significance at all since I assumed he was townreading votato for nothing and the PRs don't necessarily have to be Town Mason

gibus · Post Post #272 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:31 am

So that action itself isn't as anti-town as self claiming.

votato · Post Post #273 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:33 am

yeah but stop publicly guessing who the PRs are. its against your wincon as town.

also, gibus is noobslipping, not scumslipping. could be scum, but i think based on my experience with gibus in another game that noobtown is more likely.

CopyKat · Post Post #274 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:33 am

ok I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but this may be a legit scum slip...

In post 264, gibus wrote:Why is it bad for town to out masons? It can help in elimination so early lynches can be more accurate.

outing PR's makes for more accurate lynches. ok this is misguided but not entirely wrong

In post 265, gibus wrote:If it doesn't make them more accurate, the mafia would waste night kills

so the first quote implies being more accurate is bad for scum but the second quote implies not being more accurate is bad for scum.

I think you lost track of which side of the argument you are supposed to be on

VOTE: gibus