Mini Normal 2135 (Endgame)

[Persivul]

One of the reasons why I'm currently just delaying my vote is because you and a few others are throwing around things such as this "obviously wrong".
But we do agree on the fact that the Ruby-slot is quite likely just town.
Which is why I want them to be replaced before the day ends so that they can dedicate the nightphase for reading the game.
But call that apathy, being "obviously wrong" or just scummy, I really do not care.

Do what you like, but:
- at this point it's doubtful that a replacement is going to come in and make a meaningful catchup before deadline
- you don't need to hear what they say to make your own decision

This situation isn't complex.

1. popo was town reading me.
2. Panda's lynch fucked with his reads. He claims he decided to track me in order to get a clear on me, despite the fact that he COULDN'T get a clear on me. He could only get a guilty.
3. Despite having just claimed 1X, I was the scum who made the kill.

Either you believe that or you don't. It's pretty simple.

[Persivul]

No wait, this isn't straightforward either.
Persivul / mavs / George is yet another variation.

So I’ve been trying to bus George since day 1? Oh, okay. Cool

So I'm scum who saved you on D2 for no reason?

Oh, okay. Cool.

[popopopopopopo]

persi saying he saved mavs d2 is misrepresenting the situation. when persi claimed there were 3 votes out all on different people.

[Persivul]

persi saying he saved mavs d2 is misrepresenting the situation. when persi claimed there were 3 votes out all on different people.

I've previously shown that at least 5 people said that mavs would be lynched D2.

[Persivul]

The supposed reason that I fakeclaimed to save him is that I'd get some town cred when he flipped. Yet, I'm supposedly scum, and he hasn't been flipped yet.

[Persivul]

The supposed reason that

I fakeclaimed to save him

is that I'd get some town cred when he flipped. Yet, I'm supposedly scum, and he hasn't been flipped yet.

In before prana quotes this and says this is an admission that I fakeclaimed to save him.

[PranaDevil]

@Prana - are you able to nuance your read/decision towards todays lynch at all?
Is it more about you REALLY believing in popopopo, or is it more about

scumreading/suspecting Persivul to the extent that popopopo providing an actual guilty is a bonus

?

This bit, I already had a pretty solid scum read on Persivul prior to that. I had planned to do a full ISO of popo and Tanner, and popo revealed that info.

Considering I was already as close to 100% as possible that Tanner or popo have to be scum, it means if Persi is scum, Tanner is his partner without fail.

It's then about catching the 3rd. Possibly Knightmare due to how quick he shoved Persi, who he had been townreading all game, under the bus.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 3.6

Ruby Red

Riabi

(0)

GeorgeBailey (1)Ruby Red;

mavsfan41 (0)

popopopopopopo

Luca Blight

(3)Tanner;Persivul;Knightmare491;

UnaBombaH (0)

PranaDevil (0)

Knightmare491 (0)

Persivul (3)PranaDevil;popopopopopopo;mavsfan41;

Tanner (0)

NoLynch(0)

Not Voting(2):UnaBombaH;GeorgeBailey;

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.
Day 3 ends in (expired on 2020-05-12 11:14:00) or when a lynch has been achieved.

Ruby Red is being replaced.

[Persivul]

Not Voting(2):UnaBombaH;GeorgeBailey;

[UnaBombaH]

You do realize that BOTH me and George need to vote for there to be a lynch at this time?
Interesting situation.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Persivul -

I hope George does the right thing for town and makes sure we at least get a lynch.

My votes is based mainly on mavs' play today, and obviously the contradicting claims.
I have a good hunch that no matter what Persivul flips today, town still has a good chance of pulling through.
Much depends on the replacement though, and if Persivul happens to flip green, how well Tanner can check themself.

[Knightmare491]

popo has done nothing but shout lynch Persivul today, why are you voting Persivul.

[UnaBombaH]

What else do you want popopopo to do when they claim to have a guilty on Persivul?

[Persivul]

You do realize that BOTH me and George need to vote for there to be a lynch at this time?

Yes. Mod should have frozen deadline until a replacement was found. But that has nothing to do with your lack of vote.

[Persivul]

My votes is based mainly on mavs' play today

Interesting. How does mavs' play lead to a vote on me?

[Persivul]

What else do you want popopopo to do when they claim to have a guilty on Persivul?

Try to solve the rest of the game, as I've been doing.

[Knightmare491]

What else do you want popopopo to do when they claim to have a guilty on Persivul?

I agree with Tanner about, if Persivul is scum then mavs is too because there is no way there are 2 millers in this game without there being a way to stop mislynching 2 townies in a row. And as scum it makes little sense to pull of a gambit like that because once one is lynched the other will also get lynched.

Voting popo is the best option today.

[UnaBombaH]

I'll also put it like this - IF Persivul flips green, we lose a PR that was unconfirmable and out of shots per their own claim.
We also lose (at night) their one confirmed townie, WHO HAPPENS TO BE VOTING FOR PERSIVUL AS WELL.
In the trade we get an automatic lynch on popopo tomorrow, and a follow-up on Prana the day after.
Leading us into a LyLo that still revolves totally around individual reads over results (most likely, that is).

IF we lynch popopopo and they flip green, we lose a PR who MIGHT have still had a shot at a result tonight. (not very likely yea, but possible with a Doc or something)
We also do not know where the scum are going to kill, and

we have zero conf.townies anyway, because the result on mavs isn't reliable!

(remember that Pers is scum if popopo flips green)

So yes, I am mostly playing this around the negatives and leaning towards the solution that's "the lesser of two evils" in my opinion.

[Persivul]

For all of Una's analysis showing that I wouldn't play as I have as scum, he still manages to find reasons to vote me.

[Knightmare491]

In the trade we get an automatic lynch on popopo tomorrow, and a follow-up on Prana the day after.

Why is PD getting auto lynched on day 5?

[UnaBombaH]

Voting popo is the best option today.

If we were to forget about the reads completely for a moment (since you yourself brought up mechanical reasonings for why Pers=mavs alignment), then to be honest, popo is by far the worse option here.

1) they might still have a chance to get results unlike Pers
2) lynching Persivul confirms mavs' alignment (even if for a second)
3) Considering the above, we should always lynch the claimed guilty over the investigative who gets called liar (because obviously they always do)

^^this is without reads/conf.bias affecting the judgement.

[Persivul]

If we were to forget about the reads completely for a moment

See what I mean?

This is mafia. Why would you forget about reads?

[Persivul]

Una wants to have correct reads, but also a mechanical reason to lynch me.

[UnaBombaH]

For all of Una's analysis showing that I wouldn't play as I have as scum, he still manages to find reasons to vote me.

If you are town here, I'd argue your play around your role was close to being optimal..?
I don't think claiming that 1-shot modifier would've been the right call D2 either, and the WIFOM about your result was always going to be there.

If you are scum, I commend you on your gambit anyway, and only think it was silly for you to commit the kill last night considering what you had claimed.

[UnaBombaH]

If we were to forget about the reads completely for a moment

See what I mean?

This is mafia. Why would you forget about reads?

Read closely.
Knightmare argues with mechanics, so I answered with mechanics.