Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[brassherald]

Your posts come off as abrasive and I don’t really get whatever “shtick” you’re going for

I get that, but i can't exactly explain what im doing or it loses all value. Asking people to ask about me put the onus on them to inquire about me and would probably figure out what my shtick was as soon as Brass decides to comment on it.

Or meta dive me and read some of my theories on newbies and how I play them and why.

I could tell you all about myself, but what do you do with hand fed meta?

Yo, I know we've played before but I don't even remember what your normal posting is like.

So, I'm not sure what you want from me to comment on with this stuff. It was at least a year ago that we last played

I feel like there is someone I mistake for you often, and them you. I feel like we've played together more recently.

Yo, what up?

VOTE: Former Fish

I was town PR before!

Which is why this made sense to me. Were you referring to the game we'd played or just playing along?

First set up. Also I haven't played since March 2019

[brassherald]

Actually, more accurately, I played one game prior to this one where I replaced in on the last day, but you weren't there

[CopyKat]

Good morning, everybody!

[CopyKat]

I'm unsure of these folks so maybe they're town after all.

Reverse list of possible town in order

~
1. Freddie
2. Potato the unidoggo
3. bass
4. feathers
5. kat
6. gibus
7. Lilith

Ofc I could be VERY wrong in this list but derp, just trying to eliminate my suspicion here

Suspicious of lilith because fishyman behave really weird after I suspected her.

So Freddie is scummiest?

[CopyKat]

ironcat is clearly non-native in english. fluent, but idioms, etc. dont seem to come naturally

can you give examples?

You're English is far from trash btw

[CopyKat]

brass/copykat/feathers

I'm townreading feathers

, so one out of brass/copykat

will reread both ISOs now

then why include feathers in your list?

[lilith2013]

It was a list of people on the gibus wagon..

[lilith2013]

I'm unsure of these folks so maybe they're town after all.

Reverse list of possible town in order

~
1. Freddie
2. Potato the unidoggo
3. bass
4. feathers
5. kat
6. gibus
7. Lilith

Ofc I could be VERY wrong in this list but derp, just trying to eliminate my suspicion here

Suspicious of lilith because fishyman behave really weird after I suspected her.

So Freddie is scummiest?

Ironcat explicitly calls out suspicion of me so I think it’s pretty clear they mean freddie is towniest

[CopyKat]

It was a list of people on the gibus wagon..

gotcha

[lilith2013]

Your posts come off as abrasive and I don’t really get whatever “shtick” you’re going for

I get that, but i can't exactly explain what im doing or it loses all value. Asking people to ask about me put the onus on them to inquire about me and would probably figure out what my shtick was as soon as Brass decides to comment on it.

Or meta dive me and read some of my theories on newbies and how I play them and why.

I could tell you all about myself, but what do you do with hand fed meta?

brass seems to not be able to back you up at all, which is weird but I also can’t imagine why you would act like they know stuff about you if they clearly don’t, so at best I think this is NAI

[CopyKat]

Ironcat explicitly calls out suspicion of me so I think it’s pretty clear they mean freddie is towniest

[lilith2013]

@brass so you’ve only played one game with formerfish before?

[lilith2013]

Also I tried to find what I meant by someone shading me and I think I was thinking about some combination of formerfish’s earlier posts plus freddie’s posts but tbh I think I may have just been delusional at the time.

[CopyKat]

I think copykat's switch from defending gibus ("scum wouldn't be trying to out masons in this thread") to attacking a "scumslip" feel contrived to me, like he is trying to get on the bandwagon as fast as possible and needs something to attack gibus for. Typically I think scum are more likely to attack something like that so suddenly and aggressively.

VOTE: copykat

I think this is L-2

why would scum!me pass on the opportunity to vote gibus for calling out masons?

[iamironcat]

[quote="In why did you suspect feathers early on?

Omg sorry for the confusion. I suspect ... 8]post 203, iamironcat"]
I can't believe I'm saying this but Freddie is my town read atm but this opinion might change.[/quote]

It was mainly based on my #190 post
I could be wrong of course but freddie's response has seemed consistent so far, especially because of #345

ironcat is clearly non-native in english. fluent, but idioms, etc. dont seem to come naturally. i just think some of the subtlety from tone, etc. that most people can generally pick up on might be lost.

Naw, i only speak crappy English despite being in the similar timezone with feathers-san..

1) mafia is a mental and perception game. If you're going to be an asshole and get on everyone's cases when people discuss what your actions imply about your motivations, then you may want to reconsider playing this game. this is now the.. second? time you've been an asshole to someone because they were looking at how your posts represent your motivations, which is literally the point of the game.
2) I haven't even tried to ascribe emotions to you in the first place. here I'm saying that you are

acting angry

, not that you're angry.
3) if you're not actually upset when you've made these posts, then you're just being way more of an asshole than you need to be.
4) where did you tell me to "ask about you"?
5) I haven't "targeted" you at all, I think it's interesting that you seem to think I've picked you out of the crowd when I'm literally voting someone else and have interacted with multiple other slots.
6) I'm not particularly interested in engaging with people who are being assholes as a principle, but I'll happily be an asshole right back since you seem pretty determined.

SLAY

[iamironcat]

Hola TOWN FOLKS! o/

Who's the biggest suspect if copykat flips out town?
If they're indeed mafia, who would you suspect next?

[lilith2013]

I think copykat's switch from defending gibus ("scum wouldn't be trying to out masons in this thread") to attacking a "scumslip" feel contrived to me, like he is trying to get on the bandwagon as fast as possible and needs something to attack gibus for. Typically I think scum are more likely to attack something like that so suddenly and aggressively.

VOTE: copykat

I think this is L-2

why would scum!me pass on the opportunity to vote gibus for calling out masons?

Off the top of my head I can think of a bunch of reasons for scum!you defending gibus here:
- towncred for defending gibus if the wagon ends in a lynch and he flips town
- in a world with town!gibus, gibus probably feels more warmly towards you for defending him when everyone else seems to be angry with him (ie pocketing)
- could be trying to set up your team so that one person is on and on person is off the wagon
- you’re not trying to have gibus be the D1 lynch and instead are hoping to direct the lynch onto a more influential or experienced player and/or are saving a gibus mislynch for future days
- you may not have realized that this was going to turn into a real wagon/underestimated the momentum to his slot
- gibus is your partner and you’re defending him for what amounts to a faked “town”tell

[lilith2013]

Hola TOWN FOLKS! o/

Who's the biggest suspect if copykat flips out town?
If they're indeed mafia, who would you suspect next?

These are good questions, I’ll think about it and get back to you

[CopyKat]

Off the top of my head I can think of a bunch of reasons for scum!you defending gibus here:- towncred for defending gibus if the wagon ends in a lynch and he flips town- in a world with town!gibus, gibus probably feels more warmly towards you for defending him when everyone else seems to be angry with him (ie pocketing)- could be trying to set up your team so that one person is on and on person is off the wagon- you’re not trying to have gibus be the D1 lynch and instead are hoping to direct the lynch onto a more influential or experienced player and/or are saving a gibus mislynch for future days- you may not have realized that this was going to turn into a real wagon/underestimated the momentum to his slot- gibus is your partner and you’re defending him for what amounts to a faked “town”tell

but then why make the switch to voting gibus after?

I don't get it. I thought gibus was town. then I thought he scum slipped so I voted for him not realizing it put him at L-1, talked to him about the "slip" and cleared up what he meant, realized what I thought was a slip wasn't and unvoted him.

but everybody wants to lynch me for that lol and when I try to interact with the people voting for me and provide explanations they are all but ignored.

[votato]

in the last game i was in with lilith, she staged a big day 1 fight with her scumbuddy to distance. It read a lot like her fight with fish here. A silly reason to argue, a way overdone fight, and then a really sudden resolution.

[CopyKat]

feathers is 100% town. votato and gibus are probably town.

scum is likely in ironcat, freddy, lillith, fish, and brass

[lilith2013]

Off the top of my head I can think of a bunch of reasons for scum!you defending gibus here:- towncred for defending gibus if the wagon ends in a lynch and he flips town- in a world with town!gibus, gibus probably feels more warmly towards you for defending him when everyone else seems to be angry with him (ie pocketing)- could be trying to set up your team so that one person is on and on person is off the wagon- you’re not trying to have gibus be the D1 lynch and instead are hoping to direct the lynch onto a more influential or experienced player and/or are saving a gibus mislynch for future days- you may not have realized that this was going to turn into a real wagon/underestimated the momentum to his slot- gibus is your partner and you’re defending him for what amounts to a faked “town”tell

but then why make the switch to voting gibus after?

I don't get it. I thought gibus was town. then I thought he scum slipped so I voted for him not realizing it put him at L-1, talked to him about the "slip" and cleared up what he meant, realized what I thought was a slip wasn't and unvoted him.

but everybody wants to lynch me for that lol and when I try to interact with the people voting for me and provide explanations they are all but ignored.

You can’t just say that you did this as if you were in a vacuum though.

Situationally, you were defending gibus; you suddenly voted him after 3 or 4 people were pressuring him on the mason thing; and you unvoted him once the bandwagon died.

[lilith2013]

in the last game i was in with lilith, she staged a big day 1 fight with her scumbuddy to distance. It read a lot like her fight with fish here. A silly reason to argue, a way overdone fight, and then a really sudden resolution.

And you think this would be a strategy I’d repeat after it failed pretty definitively in G&R?

[lilith2013]

but everybody wants to lynch me for that lol

Also, who’s “everybody”? Only 3 people are voting you

[CopyKat]

Also, who’s “everybody”? Only 3 people are voting you