Open 777: Switch (Town Wins)

[TheWizard]

Paragon (1):

Raya36

Dunnstral (1):

Looker

Not Voting (5):

Black Ranger, Dunnstral, Paragon, brassherald, chkflip

With 7 Alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-05-19 14:42:00)

[Raya36]

I don't like Looker's defence of me. Defending me for hammering scum alone, and questioning why he isn't being voted isn't a towny thought process.
Just shooting out thoughts right now.

Raya is very town for the overnight analysis.

Scumreads the one defending you, then townreads the one scumreading you.
I can't tell if this is an attempt to get town cred.

I do really think the hammer has high potential to be trying to gain town cred.

[Paragon]

Those are just my reads. Were you expecting me to OMGUS and OMGUR, or OMGUO?

[Black Ranger]

VOTE: brassherald

Every inhabitant of this slot has shit it up so I look forward to the trend continuing

[Paragon]

VOTE: brassherald

Fine with this.

[Dunnstral]

I disagree with lynching brassherald

[Raya36]

What's the case on the Brass slot?

[Looker]

So why are you still voting me Looker? Also, Paragon's hammer doesn't make them town, it makes them more likely to be scum.

Your vote actually makes no sense. Do you think I'm mafia or SK? I think there are very good arguments against me being mafia, but your reason for voting me initially was that I was "being given a pass" implying that you thought I was mafia.

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I'm like, 80% sure Paragon is mafia. We can lynch them today, or we can fish for the serial killer.

Why does Paragon's hammer make them scum, but your and Raya's placement on Knightmare's wagon not make you two scum? All three of you were in the same position - bus (allegedly) or no lynch.

I was fully expecting this btw. I knew my hammer would look like I "accidentally" hammered my scum buddy in an attempt for towncred. Lame play as scum.

(after I saw the flip I mean)

Are you a meme account?

I don't like Looker's defence of me. Defending me for hammering scum alone, and questioning why he isn't being voted isn't a towny thought process.

Just shooting out thoughts right now.

How would you go about getting clarification?

Were you expecting me to OMGUS and OMGUR, or OMGUO?

I want to know what these are.

VOTE: brassherald

Fine with this.

But why. Do you really think that slot is important with its history?

@MOD: HAS BRASSHERALD BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THE DAY HAS STARTED?

[Dunnstral]

Why does Paragon's hammer make them scum, but your and Raya's placement on Knightmare's wagon not make you two scum?

Because Paragon hammered after his slot failed to vote on day 1, and after the lynch became inevitable and there was already intent, while Raya and I voted mafia at deadline instead of going missing, while it would be easy for us to let it end in a nolynch (which it did, but not because of us)

[Paragon]

I scumread brassherald for ~reasons~

OMGUR is Oh My God, You Rock. OMGUO is Oh My God, You're Okay. Obviously.

[Raya36]

Those are just my reads. Were you expecting me to OMGUS and OMGUR, or OMGUO?

I forgot to respond to this:
It's not that I expected you to OMGUS or whatever else but to go exactly opposite of what people are reading you seems like a reach for town cred

[Raya36]

I scumread brassherald for ~reasons~

OMGUR is Oh My God, You Rock. OMGUO is Oh My God, You're Okay. Obviously.

Care to elaborate on these ~reasons~?

[Raya36]

Also I really think we should let Brass come here and talk before we heavily consider going after that slot

[Dunnstral]

I scumread brassherald for ~reasons~

OMGUR is Oh My God, You Rock. OMGUO is Oh My God, You're Okay. Obviously.

Care to elaborate on these ~reasons~?

He can't, it's what the mod told us to stop talking about

[Raya36]

Oh right, didn't catch that

[Dunnstral]

I have no idea who the SK is. I'm pretty sure we can get a mafia lynch today.

I have a crazy idea: Mafia and Vigilante both holster tonight

Let me explain why mafia needs to holster:

Lynching mafia brings us to 4:1:1 going into night. Let's assume that SK always shoots. If mafia and sk both shoot town, It's 2:1:1. Town cannot lynch, and has to no lynch and hope for cross kills.

Here's the kicker: If SK is immune to the mafia kill,

mafia can't win by bringing it to 2:1:1

. Town HAS to no lynch, even if it goes to 1:1:1.

I believe that mafia will not make a move that will likely lose them the game, just to screw town over. They need the SK dead, too.

Going into the day 3:1:1 is the only way for town to be able to lynch and potentially catch the SK.

Vigilante should not shoot: it's 50/50 on wether they'll be flipped in the first place: Best case scenario is vig shoots anti town BUT town has to no lynch to 3 alive anyway. And SK has a chance of being vig immune.

Thoughts?

[brassherald]

I was not notified day was started. Whatevs, I'm here. You needed a person to fill the slot.

Were there N0 kills in here? That's lame.

[brassherald]

I have no idea who the SK is. I'm pretty sure we can get a mafia lynch today.

I have a crazy idea: Mafia and Vigilante both holster tonight

Let me explain why mafia needs to holster:

Lynching mafia brings us to 4:1:1 going into night. Let's assume that SK always shoots. If mafia and sk both shoot town, It's 2:1:1. Town cannot lynch, and has to no lynch and hope for cross kills.

Here's the kicker: If SK is immune to the mafia kill,

mafia can't win by bringing it to 2:1:1

. Town HAS to no lynch, even if it goes to 1:1:1.

I believe that mafia will not make a move that will likely lose them the game, just to screw town over. They need the SK dead, too.

Going into the day 3:1:1 is the only way for town to be able to lynch and potentially catch the SK.

Vigilante should not shoot: it's 50/50 on wether they'll be flipped in the first place: Best case scenario is vig shoots anti town BUT town has to no lynch to 3 alive anyway. And SK has a chance of being vig immune.

Thoughts?

This is a pretty good plan.

Mafia's not going to listen to you, though, my man, unless you are a member of the mafia. They never listen.

[TheWizard]

chkflip has been prodded for inactivity.

[Black Ranger]

The plan is sound, but it's overlooking the edge cases:

Mafia shoots with the singular purpose of hitting the SK (no drawback besides hitting town and reaching the "cross kill endgame")

The increased power of the vigilante with a mafia lynch today. @ 4:1:1 the vigilante only needs to find one townie to become a weighted coin flip to hit scum.

The only scenario in our control is 2. The "probable case" of a mafia lynch means the vig could holster and we could lynch mafia in place of the no lynch on day 4, but it's also likely that the SK will vighunt in this world, because a 2:1 with the vig alive is a very likely town win. Removing discussion from day 4 has utility here.

[Black Ranger]

I feel like there's clear reasons to lynch brassherald and calling them ~~reasons~~ is just antispew or ick voting. Whatever.

[Black Ranger]

UNVOTE:

I'm sure it's just the weather but I do feel grossed out. Thanks.

[brassherald]

Yo, I'm just here because there was no one stepping up and filling the spot.

[Looker]

Yo, I'm just here because there was no one stepping up and filling the spot.

Are you going to fill the spot?

[brassherald]

Yo, I'm just here because there was no one stepping up and filling the spot.

Are you going to fill the spot?

I am in this spot, aren't I?