Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[GuiltyLion]

I am unmoved by the soft, FWIW.

Can I get your thoughts from a mechanical perspective on the existence of 2 cops (one who can only check their own hood), a godfather, and then another investigative that can only check for godfather

do you think the only-Jigsaw cop doesn't make sense as a town role?

[Morning Tweet]

I feel like iDany probably wouldn't claim an inno on his scumbuddy unless that buddy is jigsaw. Seems like a really ballsy play. although there's still the chance he would, it just seems like a bad idea

ABR, davesaz, Battle Mage, and GuiltyLion perhaps is the scum team.

like this just fragrantly makes no sense, in means scum would all be trying to bus each other (BM pushing ABR, me pushing davesaz, BM wagoning me), would mean most of the major wagons today were on scum, and as ABR pointed out it would mean Pine's hood was 3 scum and Pine

I can't even begin to guess what the thought process behind that scumteam is. And i have no idea what that means regarding Ircher's alignment

[Firebringer]

im frustrated that ircher doesn't seem to be trying but am holding back because i feel like Bingle/idany's clear *should* make him town.

Do you think ircher's apathy is AI for him? I'm willing to entertain ircher being jigsaw yes, but i wouldn't lynch him over the other choices

i don't like his townread on me either.

[Firebringer]

No mechanics

Yet...

When I do have something (like Jigsaw's identity, that would be cool) I'll be all over it.

I think y'all need to pull your heads out of your asses. That way you'll be able to hear the quiet voice telling you to go somewhere else for a while.
I was trying to avoid the kind of attention that would put me into a trap, but nah that ain't going to last.

probably town

[Vecna]

ABR, davesaz, Battle Mage, and GuiltyLion perhaps is the scum team.

yikes

I keep forgetting who replaced who but this is baaaa-j'd

[Vecna]

Jigsaw giving out keys to his own traps? :thinking_face:

copycat

[Vecna]

I want EC/Vecna thoughts on dave's claim and what to do in light of it. I might wanna go for the no hood scum and lynch Molla

The weird part is that he didnt respond to iDanny's claim iirc

How many investigates are even plausible here, on top of my shit?

Anyways, this is probably a bad approach to take since outguessing the setup/mod here is going to be near impossible, but you'd think at least some sort of response to another investigative claim in your hood that is pretty much your antithesis (finding only jigsaw vs not being able to find jigsaw)

[Vecna]

Also, would designing a godfather combined with that key ability be a thing?

bit odd to move the power and importance all consolidated onto one slot....possible I guess, but still a bit strange since momo flipped VT.

[Ircher]

im frustrated that ircher doesn't seem to be trying but am holding back because i feel like Bingle/idany's clear *should* make him town.

Do you think ircher's apathy is AI for him? I'm willing to entertain ircher being jigsaw yes, but i wouldn't lynch him over the other choices

i don't like his townread on me either.

That was a joke hence the caps. I actually have no read on you.

Vecna, Bingle can be town.

[Drixx]

Been a rough couple days. What did I miss?

[Bingle]

I feel like iDany probably wouldn't claim an inno on his scumbuddy unless that buddy is jigsaw. Seems like a really ballsy play. although there's still the chance he would, it just seems like a bad idea

Literally the opposite, imo. I know this should have 0 weight, but if I'm going to fake inno a partner it's never the godfather. I WANT a godfather partner to be investigated.

[Firebringer]

That was a joke hence the caps. I actually have no read on you.

i can never tell when u joke

[Bingle]

I am unmoved by the soft, FWIW.

Can I get your thoughts from a mechanical perspective on the existence of 2 cops (one who can only check their own hood), a godfather, and then another investigative that can only check for godfather

do you think the only-Jigsaw cop doesn't make sense as a town role?

If it's a town role it heavily implies that there are two scum in my hood, both Jigsaw and notJigsaw.

If it's a town role it also implies a crazy high reliance on town investigation hits that likely mean we're pretty fucked anyway.

Also, don't forget that Vecna's claimed another member of my hood is functionally an IC. Style wise, cramming town power into a huge hood with a slight scum presence is a valid choice, and I'm not really familiar enough with cakez to say if he'd do that or not. Balance wise, if the scumteam has as much power as they appear to, there's very little I would say is unreasonable for town.

If my hood is all town or all town sans Jigsaw, my role is straight trash to include, so I'm pretty sold on there being at least one 'hit' for me. A role cop (guilty on godfather) makes some amount of sense, but the reluctance to claim when there's a legitimate chance scum can't get a guaranteed kill on him seems weak.

If it's true, Jigsaw is likely in the hood and Dave should 100% investigate Gamma/Ircher tonight should I be the lynch.

[Morning Tweet]

I feel like iDany probably wouldn't claim an inno on his scumbuddy unless that buddy is jigsaw. Seems like a really ballsy play. although there's still the chance he would, it just seems like a bad idea

Literally the opposite, imo. I know this should have 0 weight, but if I'm going to fake inno a partner it's never the godfather. I WANT a godfather partner to be investigated.

my point is i don't think iDany would fake an inno on a scumbuddy. this is the guy whose defense was "I would never fakeclaim cop". from what i've seen of his play, I'm inclined to believe he wouldn't pull a gambit that risks half of the scumteam if he's found out

Perhaps you are right that he wouldn't fake an inno on a godfather either, though. that would draw a lot of unnecessary attention to the GF after he flips red

[Bingle]

I mean... He didn't fakeclaim an inno on a partner. and either 5 or 6 players in the thread know that to be true. :shrugs:

[Battle Mage]

if there is a cop who can only investigate in their own hood, which has only 7 other people to start, does anyone really think there are more than 2 scum there? It's probably more like 1, otherwise it's a pretty powerful role in a game which is already chock-full of town PRs.

Just a hot take, as I do need a re-read to get to grips with who has claimed what...

There are 4 living people who have not had innocent results on them in said hood. One of them is me. I am townreading 2 of them. 3/4 of them are highly proficient mafia players. I'm literally counting on there being 1-2 scum in that neighborhood.



Go ahead and tell me again why this isn't a good place to spend our energy?

...You literally quoted me in the post above

I don't know if your figures are right, but if they are, we've still got more chance of hitting scum by going OUTSIDE of the hoods, where there are only 3 players left (excluding Vecna who has a decent claim), and either 1 or 2 scum.

No idea why you would care if someone is a proficient mafia player in the context of whether they get a cop investigation on them or not.

[Battle Mage]

if there's a godfather role in this game, it's ABR right? who else played on Day 1 like they were desperate to be investigated asap?

[Eddie Cane]

Sorry, got very busy. Only skimmed up right now

I want EC/Vecna thoughts on dave's claim and what to do in light of it. I might wanna go for the no hood scum and lynch Molla

UNVOTE:

Dave rolled investigative in TM2020 a couple months ago, good point of reference. I prefer Bingle to Molla though.

[VaultDweller]

If ABR and BM are scum together i'd lose my shit

Why? The more I read the game the more this feels plausible

[Eddie Cane]

If ABR and BM are scum together i'd lose my shit

Why? The more I read the game the more this feels plausible

that anger I read as very genuine from ABR had is not something scum gets from a partner distancing.

[VaultDweller]

W.r.t. all the investigative roles in the cop hood, I can confirm that I also have an (admittedly weak) investigative power.

And my funnybone is telling me that one of my hoodmates just has to be scum, but I'm hesitant to lynch there for obvious reasons.

[BBmolla]

I'm lost in this

[Vecna]

I feel like iDany probably wouldn't claim an inno on his scumbuddy unless that buddy is jigsaw. Seems like a really ballsy play. although there's still the chance he would, it just seems like a bad idea

Literally the opposite, imo. I know this should have 0 weight, but if I'm going to fake inno a partner it's never the godfather. I WANT a godfather partner to be investigated.

This post indeed feels very pointless, since it was iDanny submitting the stuff.

Also having one flip not condemning the other feels like plenty of reason to make your results at least possible

[Vecna]

I am unmoved by the soft, FWIW.

Can I get your thoughts from a mechanical perspective on the existence of 2 cops (one who can only check their own hood), a godfather, and then another investigative that can only check for godfather

do you think the only-Jigsaw cop doesn't make sense as a town role?

If it's a town role it heavily implies that there are two scum in my hood, both Jigsaw and notJigsaw.

If it's a town role it also implies a crazy high reliance on town investigation hits that likely mean we're pretty fucked anyway.

Also, don't forget that Vecna's claimed another member of my hood is functionally an IC. Style wise, cramming town power into a huge hood with a slight scum presence is a valid choice, and I'm not really familiar enough with cakez to say if he'd do that or not. Balance wise, if the scumteam has as much power as they appear to, there's very little I would say is unreasonable for town.

If my hood is all town or all town sans Jigsaw, my role is straight trash to include, so I'm pretty sold on there being at least one 'hit' for me. A role cop (guilty on godfather) makes some amount of sense, but the reluctance to claim when there's a legitimate chance scum can't get a guaranteed kill on him seems weak.

If it's true, Jigsaw is likely in the hood and Dave should 100% investigate Gamma/Ircher tonight should I be the lynch.

hmmm

[Vecna]

if there's a godfather role in this game, it's ABR right? who else played on Day 1 like they were desperate to be investigated asap?

Youre suddenly going to ignore your own flavour theorycrafting?

that seems odd