mini 2140: partition (this is over)

[Hoctac]

Hang on a minute, I just realised why there's probably 2 or 3 scum in group 1. Everyone (as far as I'm aware) in group 1 are good at looking like town and don't get lynched very often.

In group 3, Mohab has said he gets scumread a lot. Doro is usually scumread (even though he's obvtown), and enomis I have a feeling is made of the same cut, given how he's entered strangely with this whole demotivated thing. Should metacheck him.

clidd doesn't really get lynched however. And Albert is a wildcard I guess, but definitely wouldn't call him lynchbait. BUT, they are exactly the sort of players that would have the confidence to put themselves in a smaller group and pull that off as scum. In fact, I think scum have done their homework and have put them both in group 2 so that we fall into the trap of thinking that.

Conclusion: Either, there's 2 scum in G1 with 1 being in G2. Or they're all in G1.

[Hoctac]

but I don't want to lynch my group D:

[Hoctac]

To expand on the first paragraph: I think the scumteam could've just dumped everyone who's good at looking like town as town, and rarely getting mislynched into group 1 with them.

[Morning Tweet]

YES HOCTAC ILY!! (*≧∀≦*)

I am in total agreement with that assessment

[Ame]

I think given the ellipsis it is acceptable as it reflects a natural pause in speech where the speaker is unaware of the word they are going to use next and so cannot anticipate the proper form of a/an to use beforehand.

Furthermore, the purpose of 'an' is to smooth out the transition between two vowel sounds. If there's a pause between words, however, that is no longer necessary. I couldn't sleep with this on my mind.

[Mohab500]

So we're all in agreement to get group 2? I just woke up to like, 5 more pages and I am starting to feel lost with all the reads, so I am gonna check it out later.

[dsjstr]

Mohab what do you think this is?

"X Æ A-12"

[Mohab500]

Alex is a boomer.

[dsjstr]

It's actually the name of Elon Musks new born child

[dsjstr]

For now... maybe

[Mohab500]

Did he actually name his child that? I thought his child wasn't born yet and that he was just meming over naming him that in the future.

[dsjstr]

I saw a baby photo, and the tweets sounded serious.

[Kanna]

urge to self-destruct...still present....

I agree with the morning/hoctac's assessments on the groups; my only problem is that i haven't really understood Dsj's thought process which is affecting my read (sorry). I will have to look at some meta.

If group 3 is cleared, then i think ABR is townie so that means scum is just clidd and 2 from group 1, or all 3 scum are in group 1.

but even if there's 1 scum in group 2, I'd actually rather lynch group 1 (2 scum) because otherwise, partition assignments can really mess us up the next day. like, really bad.

i keep thinking and i kind of want to go big or go home? ?

[Kanna]

but...pulling the trigger is so hard. Even though today is kind of the only day we have this option. I think we need to take our time with this.

[Kanna]

maybe i'm confbiasing but unless someone can convince me otherwise, i don't see group 2/3 being superior to a group 1 lynch??

[Kanna]

MAYBE...something to think about is the scumteam that made these partitions seem to be thoughtful individuals. I think they did meta research *and* took their time to come up with this super WIFOMy groups. Who is likely to do that?

[Mohab500]

Well, I'd agree except for the massive risk of us just straight up losing d1 if there isn't more than one scum in there.

[Mohab500]

MAYBE...something to think about is the scumteam that made these partitions seem to be thoughtful individuals. I think they did meta research *and* took their time to come up with this super WIFOMy groups. Who is likely to do that?

If that's somehow true, we lynch group 2. I am prime lynchbait in all of my games and it's not hard to resist lynching group 3 because of me, which makes me feel there is no scum in my group, now that I look at it.

[Mohab500]

If that also isn't true, then we also lynch group 2, because it's the lowest risk.

[Mohab500]

That said, I can't see a downside to putting 1 scum in group 8, since lynching that scum immediately loses the game for us anyways. Let's start looking at player reads if possible, rather than just partitions, because I have a strong feeling we're leading ourselves ghe wrong way at the moment

[Raya36]

D&D is town for this. As I said earlier speculation of how scum are split can only get you so far. Scumhunting instead is town-oriented and I also like what they said as well.

Which lines in 135 did you like?

All the lines are good for early scumhunting. In particular (as much as I hate to admit it) I liked the two lines with negative points. The line about Enomis I agree with and the line about me makes sense. I also like that they're telling Morning to scumhunt. I'm not sure why Morning was singled out but it's good to push for scumhunting and to try to move away from set-up spec.

Morning, can you explain your town lean on Enomis? I'm just not seeing it. Also Enomis is actively avoiding lynching his own group so only 2 of the 3 members suspect group 3 unless I missed something.

Oh yeah i forgot enomis was like "I want to be here on day 2." in response to Mohab voting group three.

Spoiler: Enomis

39/40 - Enomis seems to prefer lynching group one. He would like for us to play the game normally

47 - Enomis realizes that we go to MYLO even if we get 2 scum in group one
Going back on his own play, he realizes why we shouldnt target group one

63 - Enomis theory crafts that mafia wouldnt go 1/1/1.
We later tell him a mistake he made and he reevaluates this to be false. However i do think this was a genuine theory

71 - Enomis is demoralized realizing its between #2 and #3

83 - Enomis wants to be here on day 2

90 - Enomis says that he is forced to vote group 2 because he wants to stay alive and we can't lynch group 1. He is disappointed because this isn't what he was expecting from this game
So here he's either acting well or this is genuine. Again im inclined to believe this is his real feelings, because as scum this is a really weak play to try and get pressure on group #2.

93 - Enomis reiterates that he feels he absolutely cannot lynch group #1 based on what people have posted about it

Enomis is either a demoralized player who feels like he has no options today but wants to keep playing so he's blindly voting group #2, or he's acting out that character. I feel like this is a bad course of action for scum to take. I'd expect scum to find ways to scumread clidd and ABR, not claim "I don't want to die" and more or less give up

I also feel like if Enomis was on a scumteam, he wouldn't volunteer to be put in the outlier group. he'd go for the big group and let someone else do the outlier. Yes, he could be lying about this self-preservation mindset, but im more inclined to think its real

I get what you're saying but don't you think it's a little agenda-y to push for your own group to stay alive with no reason other than wanting to live? I'm also still concerned about 62. It comes across as him just wanting to say 'don't vote our group' but instead hiding that by indirectly questioning him for voting his own group. You do have a good point though. If this is scum it's a very weird way to push for group 2 without causing too much suspicion. But if he is scum it's working in a sense so I'm not sure honestly.

@D&D for post 224: Set-up spec isn't towny on it's own but I found their analysis and conversation worthy of townleans that early in the game. Set-up spec has to be done to an extent and they jumped in right away with it. They're not strong leans at all based on this. I definitely do think Morning is town though based on her play.
About Mohab: I agree with what you said about them stating they don't want to talk about set-up then diving straight into set-up but do you think that comes from scum? I guess I could see scum saying that to try to sound towny then trying to delay scum hunting by speculating set-up anyway, but back to back like that? I just think scum would be a little more sneaky about it if that was their goal.

a haiku about clidd

clidd, the detective
he takes a sip of his tea
it’s quite delicious

im not sure if the last line is cheating or not

You might have just sold it for me. In all seriousness I'll look into group 2 again soon. I really don't think Albert is scum but I'll take another look and I need to look more into Clidd. I thought his set-up spec summary post was good but a few people seemed to have problems with it? I kinda got lost in all the spec discussion there so I'll go back to that later.

am i supposed to know what hoctac and ame have been alluding to for 70% of the game and im missing it, or is everyone else also confused

I am incredibly confused

[Ame]

Sleeping on it Kanna, I still don't resonate with your reasoning. If scum were playing

go big or go home

why would they place all of their members in Group 1? The go big or go home strategy would be to place 0-1 member in Group 1 for a quick victory. I've been thinking how I'd go about this, and this is exactly what I'd do. MT stated that it was obvious to her that town would push for group 3, but I think it's obvious town would push for Group 1 with the idea of getting 2 scum. Moths fly to the brightest flame and G1 is like so wifomy in-your-face goading us to lynch there.

[Ame]

Kanna what are your reads on Clidd, Hoc, Raya, and Charmander?

[Ame]

Also, Kanna, do you notice anything about 200?

[Ame]

Hoc, who haven't you played with or "read up on?" on your main account. Ongoing games are irrelevant to this question.