Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Ircher]

Pagetop
VOTE: Battle Mage

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pagetop
VOTE: Battle Mage

Dude...no...I don't see what advantage BM has of turning on me day 3 when I 100% townread him.

[davesaz]

The "only in the Police hood" thing is an aspect that makes fakeclaim a real possibility for me. If scum needed to eliminate someone from "police" at a critical juncture with a fake guilty it would be the best kind of cover. Plus it's good cover for not investigating scummy people outside that hood. And I certainly don't see town in iDany's posting. I would have said that it's just as likely to be fake as real, but I think we're on the same page there.

Reminder for whomever missed my reaction to iDany claim.

[Battle Mage]

Pagetop
VOTE: Battle Mage

Dude...no...I don't see what advantage BM has of turning on me day 3 when I 100% townread him.

You know you've messed up when even ABR won't back your BM vote.

Problem with replacements after 100 pages, is they don't tend to read what's happened so sometimes they can make mistakes like this.

[Battle Mage]

If ABR and BM are scum together i'd lose my shit

Why? The more I read the game the more this feels plausible

3 scum in a 4 person hood? That is wacky dude...

[Battle Mage]

W.r.t. all the investigative roles in the cop hood, I can confirm that I also have an (admittedly weak) investigative power.

And my funnybone is telling me that one of my hoodmates just has to be scum, but I'm hesitant to lynch there for obvious reasons.

I don't really follow this?

if there's a godfather role in this game, it's ABR right? who else played on Day 1 like they were desperate to be investigated asap?

Youre suddenly going to ignore your own flavour theorycrafting?

that seems odd

Not really... I quite clearly said "if there's a godfather in this game", responding to the previous comment. I haven't given a sense of whether I think that's likely. I don't really have a sense of whether it's likely or not. And for what it's worth, even if I did conclude a Godfather was likely, there's nothing to suggest it would have to be Jigsaw. Investigation immunity is not exactly an amazing power role in the context of this game.

[Battle Mage]

Jokes aside, if this Day phase actually ends with me being lynched, town has zero chance in this game.

[Bingle]

There's no way you get enough votes to be lynched today, BM.

I'm not willing to vote outside of my hood, which means that in all likelihood I get lynched, which is probably not the worst outcome here, tbh. When my role is confirmed, my setup knowledge becomes fact and there's a small pool of potential players for nonjigsaw scum in the police hood. Dave's reaction of "crumb PR as hard as possible while keeping his actual particulars vague" is not likely to be town imo, because the crumbs make him just as likely to eat a nightkill (trap) as the actual claim would, but keeping the claim vague as shit lets him tailor it further if he lives.

It's also bullshit that he's going to immediately be the nightkill target off of a (I have a 1/the playerlist chance of hitting scum!) when he's a likely lynch and scum is almost at the endgame. Frankly, an investigative that can only hit the godfather would be a nonissue to a 4 person scumteam at this point.

[Bingle]

Reminder for whomever missed my reaction to iDany claim.

Yeah, it was pretty trash. Most of them were, though.

[Vecna]

W.r.t. all the investigative roles in the cop hood, I can confirm that I also have an (admittedly weak) investigative power.

And my funnybone is telling me that one of my hoodmates just has to be scum, but I'm hesitant to lynch there for obvious reasons.

I don't really follow this?

if there's a godfather role in this game, it's ABR right? who else played on Day 1 like they were desperate to be investigated asap?

Youre suddenly going to ignore your own flavour theorycrafting?

that seems odd

Not really... I quite clearly said "if there's a godfather in this game", responding to the previous comment. I haven't given a sense of whether I think that's likely. I don't really have a sense of whether it's likely or not. And for what it's worth, even if I did conclude a Godfather was likely, there's nothing to suggest it would have to be Jigsaw. Investigation immunity is not exactly an amazing power role in the context of this game.

I could swear someone confirmed that jigsaw is a GF?

[Morning Tweet]

Dave saying "I'm a PR. take that stupid" kind of seems like his M.O and is pretty much what id expect from town dave

Although im unfamiliar with what scum dave does instead. hmm

I think that if you're gonna design a setup with an 8 person cop hood, you cant afford to make all their investigative powers good. A regular cop, a godfather cop, an internal cop, etc., all makes sense. Drixx finally having a role claim that isnt cop makes me feel better about him though.

im not sure if i can use the cop claims themselves to determine who is scum. frustrating

@BM Hectics role PM heavily implies there is a godfather named Jigsaw

[Bingle]

I could swear someone confirmed that jigsaw is a GF?

Both Hectic and my roles imply the existence of Jigsaw as GF, although it is theoretically plausible that's just a ruse to make sure our results aren't trustworthy. Dave being a godfather only cop would functionally confirm the existence of the role.

[Ircher]

Maybe it's {Battle Mage XOR ABR}, Guilty Lion, davesaz, and Drixx.
VOTE: Drixx

[Eddie Cane]

Pagetop
VOTE: Battle Mage

VOTE: Bingle

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Drixx

[Morning Tweet]

y drixx over bingle

[Ircher]

Why Bingle? Seems town to me.

[Bingle]

Pagetop
VOTE: Battle Mage

VOTE: Bingle

[Morning Tweet]

Why Bingle? Seems town to me.

im not exactly taking your advice given your reads thus far

[Battle Mage]

Maybe it's {Battle Mage XOR ABR}, Guilty Lion, davesaz, and Drixx.
VOTE: Drixx

Pretty unlikely solve, but a substantial improvement on your last attempt, so kudos for that.

[Battle Mage]

Dave saying "I'm a PR. take that stupid" kind of seems like his M.O and is pretty much what id expect from town dave

Although im unfamiliar with what scum dave does instead. hmm

I think that if you're gonna design a setup with an 8 person cop hood, you cant afford to make all their investigative powers good. A regular cop, a godfather cop, an internal cop, etc., all makes sense. Drixx finally having a role claim that isnt cop makes me feel better about him though.

im not sure if i can use the cop claims themselves to determine who is scum. frustrating

@BM Hectics role PM heavily implies there is a godfather named Jigsaw

Ah thanks - I'm a bit lost on all the claims/confirms still.

Has anyone made that list yet?

[Bingle]

VaultDweller <- Town unless Vecna is scum. If scum with Vecna, unlikely Jigsaw (who the fuck fake innos a Godfather?)
Ircher <- Town or Jigsaw unless I am scum. Gave ABR a BP Vest.
Albert B. Rampage <- Neighbor with flipped scum, small hood.
Battle Mage <- Neighbor with flipped scum, small hood.
BBmolla <- Semi Proven 1 shot Reporter, if more than one shot can be full proven. Slight town equity to claim not being used as a scum power. Not sure if it would occur to BB to use it as a scum power.
pisskop <- Claimed no hood.
Vecna <- Informed VD is town. Flavor supports claim, vaguely towny? Spec seems to want to widen lynchpool, keep an eye on this.
GuiltyLion <- Broke a trap. One Shot? (Don't clarify GL)
Eddie Cane <- In a hood with two cops (one of which can only target in hood), feels town.
davesaz <- As above, other people said null.

Softing Godfather Cop

Drixx <- As above, other people said scummy. Trap interaction role, but only with multiperson traps.

Maybe not godfather because dave is softing maybe having some kind of role sorta.

Firebringer <- No mechanicals?
Morning Tweet <- EC says town, I feel pings. No real mechanicals?

Bolded is updates.

I might have missed some, I've mostly been skimming, tbh.

[Drixx]

VOTE: Drixx

And just like that, I move to the BM theory of ABR is scum. Defends and plays nice with me all game. Then naked votes me. Hrm.

[davesaz]

I've thought ABR was manipulating people all game. Scum makes sense with that.

[Battle Mage]

Forgot one thing!

This message came over the loudspeaker in the middle of the night:

Welcome to ChannelSawNews

Today's topstory,Logan"momo"Nelson has been hung by the Survivors.He is survived by his partnersincrime,REDACTED, REDACTED,REDACTED,andJigsaw

BBmolla,identityhidden,was lauded as hero

"Well I told everyone I'd hammer in 10 minutes but I did in 5.Cause justice waits for noone."

I'm still totally cool with an ABR lynch today.