Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[iamironcat]

Anyhow, this analysis got me sure of my scum reads. Lilith and Fish.
Lilith cheaply jumps on any "leads" she can find. Such as the copykat slip and how I'm "bussing" fishyfriend. It's clear that her playstyle is scum.
Fish has shown themselves as town but thanks Lilith, it's clear that their interaction shows he's in her chat as well.
That being said, copy kat is town and so are the rest apart from these two that I've mentioned.

It's hilarious how lilth is completely ignoring my post and so clearly working with fish to lynch me xD
With the list that fish said I wasted my time on, I could point out the exact points and refer to the posts I'm talking about. But I see that it's pointless to do so here. Like any other mafia game, mafia relies on town to eat each other up and since most of the players are new here, they're clearly taking advantage of this fact.
If there's hope for town, I think the only person who might solve this game is eventually votato and gibus.

[lilith2013]

I literally directly responded to your post so that’s a blatant misrep

[Freddiethelady]

fish, i had no read on you other than noting how explosive you were. i subconsciously decided i would trying to avoid saying something that might get that reaction out of you because the noise is useless. i joined the game for fun, but your posts and your arrogance makes me wonder if you did the same. i am not sure how to read you and further at the moment - so at the very least its distracting and frustrating to have to read through it.

[Formerfish]

i subconsciously decided i would trying to avoid saying something that might get that reaction out of you because the noise is useless

This sounds suspiciously like "I didn't want to draw your attention because I'm scum and don't want you to have a reason to focus on me, please oh please just go away."

Such a shitty reason to punt the responsibility of reading someone as well. I think my posting shows that if you come at me on the level and I feel like intentions are pure that I am more than capable of having a rational discussion about the game and the players in it. I know it's a little hard to swallow, but I think that if you compare my recent posting to my early posting you'll see a difference in them.

I've already rustled people's jimmies, now I'm playing my game, you wanna play with me?

[Formerfish]

[gibus]

This sounds ancient but I still enjoy it

[Formerfish]

Oh yeah, Styx was totally a 70's band, but i grew up listening to them on my parents vinyl, so they hold a special place for me.

[brassherald]

Did I miss Gibus in my last post? I am so null on that slot, too and can't figure out why.

Also ironcat and lilith both seem to be reasoning out their reads, granted I think they are both wrong, but also both genuinely thinking and coming to the wrong conclusion

[gibus]

You missed fish too

[brassherald]

You missed fish too

Didn't. I'm positive I spoke about the one that creeps me out (fish legit creep me out)

[brassherald]

I'm cool with where my vote is. I feel like there's lots of noise from Kat but not much else. Feeling good about it.

Ok, you care to comment on anything else, or are you good with that being your contribution given everything else that has been going on?

I feel like people might have been a little too fast to trust Feathers. Still not sure about you.

Ironcat and Lilli is my best guess at a TvT argument if there is one.

Votato I'm comfortable saying he's either town or got me pocketed hard.

I don't know about Freddie at all legitimately forgot he was in the game

You is responding to fish. Gibus, Fish and Freddie are still nulls.

Gibus probably towards the town line, fish towards the Scum line in my mind.

Freddie is legitimately perfectly null. Without more input this will default to Scum because that's how my brain works

[gibus]

I'm blind

[CopyKat]

UNVOTE:

I think I let myself get emotional. We will need to sort votato prior to lylo though.

[Formerfish]

You missed fish too

Didn't. I'm positive I spoke about the one that creeps me out (fish legit creep me out)

What?

[brassherald]

You missed fish too

Didn't. I'm positive I spoke about the one that creeps me out (fish legit creep me out)

What?

Fish have creepy eyes and I hate it, sorry.

[votato]

UNVOTE:

I think I let myself get emotional. We will need to sort votato prior to lylo though.

pretty sure we need to sort everyone. I feel like you are backtracking again. What are your current reads?

[CopyKat]

UNVOTE:

I think I let myself get emotional. We will need to sort votato prior to lylo though.

pretty sure we need to sort everyone.

I feel like you are backtracking again

. What are your current reads?

of course you do. its called confirmation bias. If I wasn't "backtracking" you'd probably accuse me of tunneling.

I still think feathers and gibus are town. freddy is likely town and Lillith feels town but I don't have a ton of confidence. I don't know about you.

I had town read you before and I'm questioning now but I'm trying to figure out if that's just an emotional response to our recent interactions. I'm looking back at all your little jokes about being scum and I'm realizing that I don't want you in lylo regardless of your alignment.

ironcat goes back and forth for me.

I'm not a fan of brass but I worry that could be an emotional response as well.

I wouldn't cry over a fish lynch. But that's a playstyle thing.

I don't have any strong scum reads as of yet.

[votato]

so you had a townread on me when you were voting me but now you're not sure so you unvoted me?

[CopyKat]

so you had a townread on me when you were voting me but now you're not sure so you unvoted me?

I had a town read on you.

There were a series of posts where I explained my vote on gibus and I didn't think you were making a good faith attempt to understand my side of things. I thought you could be scum.

After I calmed down I realized that my "scum" read on you was likely an emotional response so I unvoted.

Looking back at your ISO I still see some townie things but I have lingering doubts now

[votato]

so you had a townread on me when you were voting me but now you're not sure so you unvoted me?

I had a town read on you.

There were a series of posts where I explained my vote on gibus and I didn't think you were making a good faith attempt to understand my side of things. I thought you could be scum.

After I calmed down I realized that my "scum" read on you was likely an emotional response so I unvoted.

Looking back at your ISO I still see some townie things but I have lingering doubts now

wishy. washy. why would you vote someone you townread? and now youre saying that your vote was pure OMGUS? you arent exactly making a great case for yourself here.

[CopyKat]

wishy. washy. why would you vote someone you townread? and now youre saying that your vote was pure OMGUS? you arent exactly making a great case for yourself here.

Did you not read what I just wrote?

Its obvious you aren't trying to really determine my alignment. the question is if its because you are scum or just arrogant town.

[CopyKat]

its the same as when I explained my gibus vote. I lay out my though process and you refuse to see it from any angle other than me being scum

[iamironcat]

So I know this is useless, but I'll just wrap things up before I call it a day.

I'll narrow down why I consider Lilith and Fish are mafia and how I came to this conclusion.
This game is so heavy town that I drew it

twice

. With that, I come to the assumption I'm talking to town most of the time, but how do I filter out who's town and who's not?
So I did something counterintuitive and started out with a "process of elimination". I listed my suspicions from most to least (157) and eliminate my suspicion of them heavily due to their playstyle rather than what they say. I didn't check if they were behaving aggressive or not, but rather

consistent

.

It was easy to boil down from my highest suspect to the least: Lilith, bass, fish, feathers, kat and gibus.

Fomerfish
After I point out of him not posting much apart from "hi I'm here post". He posted more until I talked about the bait.
From that moment, he had been behaving defensive and accusing people of what he's doing.
One of the scummiest consistent behaviour I've observed is his determination to lynch someone (in this case, me) regardless of their alignment. The very same thing that copykat was accused of. This happened from the very beginning as observed in my meta post. 526

Lilith
Lilith had been jumping on "leads" and adding to them in order to lynch someone.
It started with copykat and her jumping on with her own reasoning as to why he is scummy.
Then she took the lead with someone talking about how I could potentially bus someone.
Noticed how in these cases, she didn't came up with the point but

jumps

on them. This is the mercenary feeling that bass was talking about, but he didn't see it in lilith.
Her scummy behaviour is not to help town, it is to

lynch

town.

Since I'm only able to narrow down the people I suspect as scum to two, I believe the rest are town.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

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[Elmo TeH AzN]

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