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[Tanner]

I'm fine with mass claim, I believe we have the game sewn up as we have some pretty solid town now in Persivul and Tanner (mavs kill was obvious of course).

That's the only thing giving me pause, mavs was the last person I thought was gonna die out of me/Persi/mavs. But I don't know what to actually make of that right now.

[PranaDevil]

If Persi died it merely confirms mavs even harder.

mavs dying doesn't strictly speaking confirm Persi.

However, short of Persi vs popo being scum vs scum, Persi is already confirmed. I do not think the long game was for Persi and popo to sell each other out and roll on.

I could have seen a Tanner NK, because it allows the WIFOM of a mavs/Persi double scum thing, but mavs made solid sense.

My only uncertainty is if the Ruby slot is scum. Because we've heard so little from it.

[UnaBombaH]

Una has to spill the beans on "I'll say why I'm acting like I'm acting around Tanner tomorrow if we're both alive.

Yea, can't dodge that anymore.
Some of your posting and the positioning you had made me feel you might've been a Cop.
Think of that what you will.
I even considered you might've had an inno on Persivul, and that was one of the biggest reasons why I was hesitant on voting there even though I thought it would've been the better choice.

And to make it clear - I came back on site after work, BEFORE the deadline, but the votes had already been laid down.
And I would've re-voted Persivul, not gonna lie.
So good for us that I was a bit late, eh?

[UnaBombaH]

I think it's PD+Una

Sure you do.
You are running out of lynch-options.

[UnaBombaH]

The one, and only, other option outside of this, is if Persi and mavs had a plan with popo, which is so far out there I'm not going to actively consider it.

I want to see you flip today, and if you flip town, I really think Persivul might actually be scum with the balls to actually do this.

[UnaBombaH]

However, short of Persi vs popo being scum vs scum, Persi is already confirmed. I do not think the long game was for Persi and popo to sell each other out and roll on.

Don't give me this shit.
There's still the world where you and Persivul are both scum, and town doesn't even realize we had to potential scumlynched yesterday.
Meaning that yes, scum COULD'VE absolutely done it.

Is Persivul going to be our first lynch?
Of course not.
Is there still a solid margin for scum!Persivul?
Sure.
It would also explain why it was so hard for me to make a decision yesterday, because in a way I really felt like choosing between two fakeclaims.

[Knightmare491]

Vote Count 3.5

Ruby Red

Riabi

(0)

GeorgeBailey (1)Ruby Red;

mavsfan41 (0)

popopopopopopo

Luca Blight

(2)Tanner;Persivul;

UnaBombaH (0)

PranaDevil (0)

Knightmare491 (0)

Persivul (3)PranaDevil;popopopopopopo;mavsfan41;

Tanner (0)

NoLynch(0)

Not Voting(3):UnaBombaH;Knightmare491;GeorgeBailey;

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.
Day 3 ends in (expired on 2020-05-12 11:14:00) or when a lynch has been achieved.

Ruby Red is being replaced. Deadline extended by 12 hours because the slot is still not filled. This is the

last

extension.

Like it really should be obvious to any townie that I'm town just based on this VC and flip. I had enough reason to vote Persivul yesterday but I chose to rethink about plays, content and mechanics which I why I voted popo. I could have easily voted Persivul yesterday which would either force a lynch on Persivul or a no lynch. I had no reason to vote popo there if I was a scumbuddy.

[Knightmare491]

I still think George is Town.

FTR I also do think he is town based on interaction with popo. I don't think a scum! GB changes their mind so many times, etc.
I don't think he can fake those reactions of reconsiderations as scum,

It's some combination of PD/Una/Ruby for the 2 scum.

[Tanner]

My gut is telling me it's Prana/Knight bussing each other, but I'm aware that doesn't make 100% sense, and I'm imagining Persi telling me I'm a fucking idiot.

Una, I won't quite right now because mobile is pain, but I'm pretty sure I saw a post from you saying how you're certain Persi and mavs are the same alignment. And mavs just flipped green. So what's up?

If nobody has any objections, Prana, mind kicking off the massclaim?

[UnaBombaH]

I still think George is Town.

FTR I also do think he is town based on interaction with popo.

I don't think a scum! GB changes their mind so many times, etc.
I don't think he can fake those reactions of reconsiderations as scum,

It's some combination of PD/Una/Ruby for the 2 scum.

I don't read them as reconsideration in the sense that he was trying to fake a change in reads.
I feel like the scumteam doesn't have a daytalk, and popopo was trying to control the way George acted, and poor George wasn't sure whether he was wanted to bus (reverse psychology) or actually wanted to pile on Persivul in hopes of lynching somewhere else.

And now imagine the reality where both Persivul and George are the remaining scum, and go ISO George from yesterday.
It really seems like an unsure scumplayer who has to decide between which buddy to bus.

[UnaBombaH]

Una, I won't quite right now because mobile is pain, but I'm pretty sure I saw a post from you saying how you're certain Persi and mavs are the same alignment. And mavs just flipped green. So what's up?

I might've said that mavs and Persi might very likely be both scum.
I'm really not sure I ever decided that they are for certain the same alignment.
If anything, I'd argue I've been the loudest advocate for not locking Persivul as town in any scenario.

[Tanner]

Una, I won't quite right now because mobile is pain, but I'm pretty sure I saw a post from you saying how you're certain Persi and mavs are the same alignment. And mavs just flipped green. So what's up?

I might've said that mavs and Persi might very likely be both scum.
I'm really not sure I ever decided that they are for certain the same alignment.
If anything, I'd argue I've been the loudest advocate for not locking Persivul as town in any scenario.

I could've sworn I saw a post like that, but I can't find it...

Anyway, my points from earlier still stand. For Persi to be scum in this game, (1) setup must've had 2 Millers with no way of confirming either. That is literally two free mislynches. (2) Scum!Persi must've decided to stop mavs's lynch for literally no reason. Literally none. I really don't see either.

With regard to George, go read Luca's ISO, he seemed pretty adamant in pushing him. Do you think that was s/s?

[UnaBombaH]

I mean, Persivul IS most likely town here, now that we have seen the 2nd Miller-flip.
The only reality where Persivul is scum here, is the one where scum were informed there's no Rolecop.
Right now I'm just arguing with Knightmare and Prana for the sake of arguing.
I believe Prana and George could just as well be the two remaining scum.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, and in case you forgot, popopo either GUESSED that George did nothing N1 or they are scum together.

[UnaBombaH]

Weird claim to make if it was based on luck and chance alone.

[PranaDevil]

Oh, and in case you forgot, popopo either GUESSED that George did nothing N1 or they are scum together.

This is a very good reminder. I'd totally forgotten that too.

Considering George could have been a PR if he was scum... it's possible he's scum, highly possible.

Might be a better lynch than Knight, as my reads have clearly been fucking shocking this game.

[Persivul]

Oh, and in case you forgot, popopo either GUESSED that George did nothing N1 or they are scum together.

Or...?

[PranaDevil]

If nobody has any objections, Prana, mind kicking off the massclaim?

I'm a basic VT, nothing fun over here.

I believe it's puppy next.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, and in case you forgot, popopo either GUESSED that George did nothing N1 or they are scum together.

Or...?

Or scum have another Tracker, or a Rolecop or something that could make it sure that George didn't move N1.

[Persivul]

TY

[UnaBombaH]

There's yet again a reason why I chose not to say it straight up.
Let's see the massclaim through first.

[Tanner]

Yo Puppy, I see you're online again. Mind dropping your claim real quick so we can carry on?

[GeorgeBailey]

Well i'm super glad that hit Red, Prana switching over made my heart drop for a moment.

I'm think there's probably 2 scum left? Either popo's guess at me not visiting someone was an attempt to make me cc it and out a PR, or scum has daytalk and a Rolecop told him that. I think the latter is more likely.

Which means there's probably an Encrypter and a RC left? It wasnt specified by the mod that Scum has daytalk, and there was no way Popo's partner could have told him that through crumb or something.

As to who I think it is, it's obviously down to {Knight,Prana,Puppy,Unah) with 2/4 being scum.

Puppy is currently unreadable, Unah never voted, Knight "bussed" around at L-3 and Prana hammered.

Out of the two, I think Unah and Prana looks the worst here. Although it feels incredibly unfair to subject Unah to a scumread for not voting when Puppy's slot has done almost nothing this game.

I want to hear Puppy's claim first, but I'm leaning towards Prana here (i'm reluctant to vote in case of a flash lynch).

[GeorgeBailey]

UNVOTE:

Too early for l-1, we need to give time to everyone to come and discuss this.

For knight, I know I was scumreading earlier, but I don't really see this unvote coming from scum. Especially since it could have ended in a easy mislynch.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Hi guys!

Really excited to be here. Sorry I missed the phase start, thought it wasn't for a couple days. Was at work when I realized, but now I'm here.

Please give me a catch up, want to read but 50 pages is too much, might skim. Only thing I've read so far is my own ISO to make sure I wasn't subbing into lynch bait, lol