Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Raven Branwen]

@ABR, can you please link both a town and a scum game for me? Thanks.

@NK15, ideally you as well. Thanks.

[Professor Moriarty]

VC 3.2

Hectic (3)- Not Known 15, Alisae, Raya36
Alisae (1)- Hectic

Not voting (6)- Pink Ball, Albert B. Rampage, TrueSoulEnergy, Creature, Ame, Raven Branwen

With 10 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-17 20:00:00)

Mod notes: .

Public Mechanic Vote

Lightning Rod (6)- Ame, Raya36, Alisae, Raven Branwen, Not Known 15, Albert B. Rampage

Not voting (4)- Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy, Creature, Hectic

[Raven Branwen]

I'm not willing to lynch Alisae, Raya, Raven, Ame

Might be missing someone

What’s your Raya and Raven read?
Explain both to me.

Just fyi, I agree with Creature reads. I think Raya is probably town. I think scum is probably between ABR and NK15. Rn, leaning to ABR. At least NK15 had an actual reason for sr me, albeit a really bad one but ABR, seems to want to mislynch me for God only knows what reasons.

[Raya36]

We all have a flavor to our roles.

I don't? I'm just called an autofarmer

[Raya36]

Although I guess that's kinda flavour since it's specific to this game

[Raya36]

Spoiler: Claims

Alisae

Role Name:

Adventurer

Abilities and Cost

:
- I count as 2 players to make sure the quest succeeds and does not affect the threshold for a quest to succeed
- when I vote for a leader for the quest, my vote counts as double
- each night I am on a quest, I can select a player and if they are sabotaged, the sabotage will fail.
- I gain an additional XP point for being selected as the leader of a quest

Anything else relevant

: Initially claimed starting XP was 2

Actions during each phase

:
-Nothing N1
-Train N2
-Upgrade D3

XP

Starting XP (from your role PM): 1
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1
XP at the end of N1: 2
XP at the end of D2: 2
XP at the end of N2: 3
Current XP: 3

XP needed to upgrade: 3
Have you upgraded (yes/no): In Progress
If yes, during which phase: D3

Raya

Role Name:

Autofarmer

Abilities and Cost

:
-Gain 1 XP per Night

Upgrade: Target a player granting them 1 XP

Anything else relevant

:

Actions during each phase

:
-Nothing N1
-Upgrade D2

XP

Starting XP (from your role PM): 1
XP at the end of D1: 1 XP
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1 XP
XP at the end of N1: 3 XP
XP at the end of D2: 0 XP
XP at the end of N2: 1 XP
Current XP: 1 XP

XP needed to upgrade: 3 XP
Have you upgraded (yes/no): Yes

Creature

Role Name

: Cleric

Abilities and Cost

: 3 XP to protect a group of people from players outside of group
Upgrade: now knows who saved

Actions during each phase

: Trained N1, N2. Upgrade N3

Anything else relevant

: additional information hidden as it benefits scum

XP

Starting XP (from your role PM): 1 xp
XP at the end of D1: still 1 xp
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1 xp didn't partake
XP at the end of N1: 3 xp because train and FotC's death
XP at the end of D2: 1 xp because upgrade
XP at the end of N2: 2 xp
Current XP: 2 xp

XP needed to upgrade: 2
Have you upgraded (yes/no): yes
If yes, during which phase: D2

Ginnie

Role Name

: Vanilla Townie

Abilities and Cost

: None

Actions during each phase

: None

Anything else relevant

: Forgot to train N2, Didn't Train N1

XP

Starting XP (from your role PM): 1
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1
XP at the end of N1: 2
XP at the end of D2: 2
XP at the end of N2: 2
Current XP: 2

XP needed to upgrade: 4
Have you upgraded (yes/no): no

Hectic

Role Name: Vanilla Townie
Abilities and Cost: None
Actions during each phase: Trained both nights
Anything else relevant: Nein

XP
Starting XP (from your role PM): 1 (note it doesn't give my starting XP in my role PM, they just told me I had 1 in the day 1 start PM)
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1
XP at the end of N1: 1
XP at the end of D2: 1
XP at the end of N2: 2
Current XP: 2

XP needed to upgrade: 3
Have you upgraded (yes/no): Ha
If yes, during which phase: Night 3

Raven

Role Name: Voyeur
Abilities and Cost: Voyeur gain XP for each uniqye
Actions during each phase: Trained N1, Voyeur Ame N2
Anything else relevant: captured d1

XP
Starting XP (from your role PM): 1 (note it doesn't give my starting XP in my role PM, they just told me I had 1 in the day 1 start PM)
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1:1
XP at the end of N1: 2
XP at the end of D2: 2
XP at the end of N2: 3
Current XP: 3

XP needed to upgrade: 4
Have you upgraded (yes/no): No

Pink Baller

Role Name: Town Bard
Abilities and Cost: twice during the game I may target a player and at the begining of the next night, that player may use an aditional action. Costs 1 XP to do that. My upgraded role is that I get one more shot, and I get barded myself
Actions during each phase: Trained first night, barded Ame and trained second night
Anything else relevant: No.

XP
Starting XP (from your role PM): 1
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1
XP at the end of N1: 2
XP at the end of D2: 1
XP at the end of N2: 1
Current XP: 1

XP needed to upgrade: 2
Have you upgraded (yes/no): Yes
If yes, during which phase: Night 2

Summary: started with 1 XP, got one more from training N1, got one more from FoC's dying, I upgraded during D2 so back to 1 XP, barded Ame which leaves me with 0 XP, but since I got barded myself I could train and I got 1 XP and that's where I am now so I can bard again tonight and train again and so and so until I'm out of shots. Game will probably end before my shots so I think I played the role as was intended.
"Your intentions are not defined by how things went, but how things could've gone." (Ball, 2019)

NK

Role Name: Vanilla Townie
Abilities and Cost: None
Actions during each phase:Train Night 2
Anything else relevant:Forgot to train Night 1

XP
Starting XP (from your role PM):1
XP at the end of D1:1
XP at the end of Quest 1:1
XP at the end of N1:2
XP at the end of D2:2
XP at the end of N2:3
Current XP:3

XP needed to upgrade:4
Have you upgraded (yes/no):no

PineARB

Role Name: Alchemist
Abilities and Cost:
Can select a public mechanic: expend XP to BP, Gift XP, Everyone gets gold; receives an ability based on the mechanic chosen - protect, gain XP per gift, mystery
Actions during each phase: Gift mechanic randomly chosen N1, Trained N2
Anything else relevant:

XP
Starting XP (from your role PM): 1
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1
XP at the end of N1: 2
XP at the end of D2: 2
XP at the end of N2: 3
Current XP: 3

XP needed to upgrade: 4
Have you upgraded (yes/no): No

Ok so how about PB bard Raya
Raya Accelerate TSE and Gift Ame
TSE Train
NK Train
Ali Train
PB Train
ARB Train
Raven target TSE or Ame
No one LR

That sounds good to me

[Raya36]

I'd like Hectic to come address some of this before a hammer

Then why did you put him at L-1?

@Raya

Oh sorry, I missed that. L-1 puts more pressure and if Hectic isn't scum then scum is in no position to quick hammer

[Raya36]

I'd rather Bard a townread, Ame. I would be giving the opportunity to make a night action and kill at the same time if I do it wrong

What if I promise you I'm town?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm not willing to lynch Alisae, Raya, Raven, Ame

Might be missing someone

What’s your Raya and Raven read?
Explain both to me.

Why are you asking him about Raya and myself but not Alisae?

Because Alisae is in their town meta.

[Raven Branwen]

I'd like Hectic to come address some of this before a hammer

Then why did you put him at L-1?

@Raya

Oh sorry, I missed that. L-1 puts more pressure and if Hectic isn't scum then scum is in no position to quick hammer

That actually happens quite a lot actually, that scum or even bad town can hammer. Scum!Titus instahammered a cop soft.

[Raven Branwen]

I'm not willing to lynch Alisae, Raya, Raven, Ame

Might be missing someone

What’s your Raya and Raven read?
Explain both to me.

Why are you asking him about Raya and myself but not Alisae?

Because Alisae is in their town meta.

So, I’m not? @Ame?

[Raya36]

I'd like Hectic to come address some of this before a hammer

Then why did you put him at L-1?

@Raya

Oh sorry, I missed that. L-1 puts more pressure and if Hectic isn't scum then scum is in no position to quick hammer

That actually happens quite a lot actually, that scum or even bad town can hammer. Scum!Titus instahammered a cop soft.

Oh alright, I will refrain from bringing it to L-1 then. It's been a while since I've played a game when that happened, but then again it's been a while since I played period besides TRF.

[Pink Ball]

I'd rather Bard a townread, Ame. I would be giving the opportunity to make a night action and kill at the same time if I do it wrong

What if I promise you I'm town?

This changes everything

[Hectic]

I'm back for a bit!

[Hectic]

Raya, out of interest, is English your first language?

No, I just find the way you word certain things quite unique. It's hard to articulate.

I always thought of Hectic as town but I was also very suspicious of the slot because nothing was strongly town to me but that changed.

Could you elaborate how you were very suspicious of me while always thinking of me as town?

Like what was this even about even.

I had a good reason for asking that actually. I was pinged by the way she worded certain things, because it felt disingenuous in a way, so I asked her that before expanding on it here:

I'm going a little back and forth on pine right now. He's playing a little different than other games I've played with him activity wise. I felt that his claim was genuine but it also wasn't anything scum couldn't claim. Although I don't think scum would claim there was a mod error just to fake claim. I was concerned about him with farkset associations because there were a few times they defended him even though he didn't have much to show.

I think you might be right about him though. That's a good point about farkset town reading him though. You've convinced me. Pine is town.

I suppose I just expected a bit less. In TRF I was looking into his other games a bit to see his normal play and this is more activity than I would normally expect from town!Pine. But in the end I've been convinced he is town.

I don't think it's the progression itself that pings me about this, but the way you put it into words. "You've convinced me. Pine is town." and "But in the end I've been convinced he is town." for example sound like a manipulative ways of sounding transparent. It's hard to exactly articulate what I mean, and I'm unsure if it's NAI all together. I'll have to check your meta on this.

[Hectic]

@Hectic

1. Why are you playing as placated Hectic in this game

in particular

?
2. When did you enter this playstyle?
3. Why were you town reading Fark as of 376?
3. Why were you town reading Raya at the point as well?
4. Did you at any point feel that Fark was pocketing you?
5. What didn't you like about 292?
6. Can you explain what you meant here:

I can see what you mean that he's trying to approach from all angles and is being too "political".

7. Why were you willing to be captured D1?
8. In 1110 What do you mean by my turnaround contrasts my scum game (example)?
9. What are you referring to in 781?

Hectic, could you answer number 6 here

I don't remember exactly, but his reads/opinions felt a little safe like he was presenting them to look good, it was just a feeling I had at the time.

[Hectic]

There should be no concerns about giving scum the power object once we are within a quest. My role is such that once we are within a quest, I can basically get myself confirmed as town through the mod posted leader vote counts. Everyone should join the quest.

Apologies for not posting sooner. I ask that you not roleblock me. As people are beginning to doubt my claim that I can prove myself town in quest, I will explain. I'm an adventure who is basically a quest leader double voter. This isn't the kind of role given to scum, which once I use it, proves me town. To prove myself town, there's a simple plan.

One person will be lynched at the end of this day and the remaining 12 will go to the quest. We decide who the leader should be, but then vote for 3 different people, putting 4 votes on each. Whoever I'm voting for (and it will be the person we decide should be the leader) will become the leader.

I'm willing to vote anyone but spring and flight for leader within the quest as I scum read them both.

Thoughts?

Replacing Lady Chloe and momo.

Why momo is probably scum.

Why aren't we lynching the Alisae slot again?

I struggle to believe as town momo would think his role proves him as such when it's clearly a NAI ability that can come from either alignment. Alisae also defended Knightmare based on reasons I don't really believe. "I thought Giingie was town and so I wanted to go along with his townread of Knightmare's claim."

[Hectic]

The reason why I was probably sabotaged is that both scum had committed to strong townreads on me, so it'd be very awkward for them to pivot into scumreading/trying to get me lynched. Therefore, I was the safest person to sabotage since the person sabotaged naturally gets some "towncred", since they're only lying about it if scum no-sabotaged and are gambiting. So, scum sabotaging someone they're not going to try and mislynch anyway, but probably nightkill later is ideal for them, since the "towncred" won't matter.

[Raven Branwen]

There should be no concerns about giving scum the power object once we are within a quest. My role is such that once we are within a quest, I can basically get myself confirmed as town through the mod posted leader vote counts. Everyone should join the quest.

Apologies for not posting sooner. I ask that you not roleblock me. As people are beginning to doubt my claim that I can prove myself town in quest, I will explain. I'm an adventure who is basically a quest leader double voter. This isn't the kind of role given to scum, which once I use it, proves me town. To prove myself town, there's a simple plan.

One person will be lynched at the end of this day and the remaining 12 will go to the quest. We decide who the leader should be, but then vote for 3 different people, putting 4 votes on each. Whoever I'm voting for (and it will be the person we decide should be the leader) will become the leader.

I'm willing to vote anyone but spring and flight for leader within the quest as I scum read them both.

Thoughts?

Replacing Lady Chloe and momo.

Why momo is probably scum.

Why aren't we lynching the Alisae slot again?

I struggle to believe as town momo would think his role proves him as such when it's clearly a NAI ability that can come from either alignment. Alisae also defended Knightmare based on reasons I don't really believe. "I thought Giingie was town and so I wanted to go along with his townread of Knightmare's claim."

But didn’t you want to lynch Creature > Knightmare, so how is that different?

[Hectic]

I've never wanted to lynch Creature, Raven; I've townread him since he's replaced in. I wanted to lynch the momo/Alisae slot yesterday.

[Professor Moriarty]

@mod, is it possible for a player to steal another player’s XP?

Sorry missed this before. Yes it's possible.

[Ame]

Hectic, you stated that you lost motivation because the game was won, but your play has been as it is since D1

[Ame]

I don't think it's the progression itself that pings me about this, but the way you put it into words. "You've convinced me. Pine is town." and "But in the end I've been convinced he is town." for example sound like a manipulative ways of sounding transparent. It's hard to exactly articulate what I mean, and I'm unsure if it's NAI all together. I'll have to check your meta on this.

Your reasoning here is what I find scummy. Did you ever check her meta? I presume no, which indicates that this post was made solely for the sake of looking like you were solving. Also indicative of this is the point itself. It's convoluted and forced and not to Hectic standards. All of your scumhunting posts this game all have this same

look-im-scum-hunting

tone. The only other reason I could think of for your play is that you're deliberately playing scummy to balance out your meta, in which case, shame on you.

[Ame]

As soon as everyone agrees to the Night actions, I am ready to end the day.

[Hectic]

The only other reason I could think of for your play is that you're deliberately playing scummy to balance out your meta, in which case, shame on you.

What? I would never do this.