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[Zantetsu]

OK fair enough. Please just forgive me when you get to the post where I insult Firebringer in an ugly way.

[popopopopopopo]

im in a raid rn. but HUGE post inc

[popopopopopopo]

my reads are
major town - churros, alch, zan
minor town, still pretty town tho - nero, quick
scum - firebringer, saudade, norwe

here i will attempt to point out some stuff on reread to explain where im at

considering the elements night kill, and the subsequent flip of peter. it seems like the night 1 NK can be explained as scum loving the way town was going, all 3 of the major wagons day 1 were on town.
my biggest takeaway of the reread was firebringer has basically been obv scum all game?

Bruh. Why are you paranoid of Luna.

I reread her defense of me and I was like "wait does she really townread me...wait shouldn't she be more paranoid of me?"

looking back, knowing now Luna's alingment. this post just screams scum firebringer. why would he think luna should be more paranoid of him? scum pov. also his incredulity as luna townreading him.

i think i have more reason to kill luna than nero tbh

i have a pr speculation chart want me to share with the class?

more super obvscum posts above. a lot of his posts read as straight up scum taunting town. super obv scum slot on reread i think. maybe im just colored by his claim and recent play day 3, that could def be a part of it, but he came across as scum to me on reread.


firebringer/norwe

Yo FB, what do you think of the people who have legit scumread you so far.

u mean zantetsu? Ummmm I don't know.

probably town? I can buy his reasoning on the slip thing but I could see a world where he saw something he could exploit as scum. Seems pretty natural to be fake imo so I lean way more on town.

I don't think norweigan is scumreading me rn seriously. At least that's not my impression.

the last sentence here makes complete sense if they are buddies

Firebringer reads as very pockety towards Luna tbh. I'm not sure i dig the whole "voting whoever you vote, Town!luna's reads are the BEST!" thing he's got going on.

VOTE: Firebringer
Who wants to go to a real wagon.

Spoiler:

next his scum buddy zantetsu (THATS RIGHT I SAID IT) asks him to explain himself (COACHING?????)

I personally have never seen this mysterious thing called coaching. People talk about it in game from time to time, but I've never seen it personally.

Also scum have daytalk so why would in-game coaching be needed?

i imagine it went something like this in scum daytalk thread:

Zantetsu: peter hop on the popo wagon, ill ask you to explain your vote while I stay off the wagon for town points. you can answer me with these points; etc.

This is probably a town post

Scummy post. Firebringer took a look at this and thought: "Oh snap, i gotta townread this!" but it's not really a towntell from Popopo, it's what scum thinks is a towntell.

this early game case on firebringer from norwe is interesting for associations. norwe didn't seem to bothered about it. norwe kept his vote parked on firebringer until eventually hopping on the jake wagon. the very next day, norwe had completely forgotten about firebringer, and instead was interested in one thing, lining up mislynches.

We should kill the mouse.
One of Jake/Peter Pan most likely lead to a counterwagon by scum yesterday.

VOTE: Popopopopopopo

We should kill the mouse.
One of Jake/Peter Pan most likely lead to a counterwagon by scum yesterday.

Explain this please. Are you saying that a scum most likely lead a counterwagon off of popop onto Peter Pan and then Jake?

No i mistyped a bit. What i was trying to say is that i believe one of Popopopopo or Peter Pan was derailed by means of counterwagon. If Peter Pan it was most likely Jake, if Popopo it was most likely Peter Pan.
But Peter Pan wagon feels less strong to me than the initial Popopo wagon which i had much more faith in.

THE POSTS ABOVE WERE ALL MADE IMMEDIATELY AS DAY 2 STARTED. THIS SCUM TRYING TO LINE UP MULTIPLE DAYS OF MISLYNCHES. NORWE WOULD HAVE HAD US GO PETERPAN->POPOPOPO. THIS IS THE SCUM MISLYNCH PLAN, LAID OUT FOR YOU AT THE START OF DAY 2.

here is norwe on the n1 kill. shutting down discussion. framing attempt? tf does that mean.

Also consider Elements voted Peter Pan. If Ele was a scum kill it could be a framing attempt maybe? But Elements had a really weak ISO so maybe there’s not much to say about it.

Norwee, what do you think of Luna? I noticed that in the game queue you specifically wanted to play with her so I expected you guys have some history. I am town reading you solely on the strength with which we seem to be mind melded here and I want to know what you, who have more experience with Luna than I do (I have zero) think about her play here.

p.s. Sorry Norwee but I can't help being paranoid about you though. The way you are echoing my thoughts is almost too good to be true.

he was buddying you zan.

zan remember this

I just don't think NorwegianBoy and Churros can both be town this game.

Hmm, nothing interesting happening

[Jake, Peter, Norwe]

There's probably at least one wolf in the above.

Jake, you should claim.

this is a good post, and two of the the three have flipped green

[Jake, Peter, Proffi, Norwe]

Now that looks better and I have near certainty there's at least one wolf in the above

ahhh! i really think profii is just a complete nothing slot and such great late game mislynch bait at this point. the replacement will reveal itself over time, im happy to revisit once quick has caught up and given us some thoughts tho.


this sequence of posts is the best evidence for norwe, firebringer scumbuddies tho IMHO (all these posts are in sequence)

Intent to hammer. Please claim

I gotta say. Signalling intent to hammer on a slot that’s self-voting is pretty weird alright.

it's really not

I do? I love how ppl on this site think they know my thoughts and feelings better than I know my own thoughts and feelings.

or maybe norway just can't read,

Nero cain is horny rn.

how did you...

it's really not

umm yeh it is. Its an artificial L-1. If the person moves their vote its back to L-2. So him saying "claim or I hammer" is fucking out there.

the way firebringer subtly backs up norwe here each other here, not quoting or referencing him, just agreeing strongly. this is the most damning evidence of them sharing a scumteam imo.
now saudade and firebringer

VOTE: Saudade

VOTE: Saudade

Want more from Saudade.

VOTE: Saudade

Want more from Saudade.

You find his absence wolf-indicative?

No.

His total contributions are unsatisfactory and I wish to speak to his manager.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1175

the firebringer saudade interaction on this page...just bizarre. could be scum and scum fucking around in thread.

Why do you think Elements died and you stayed alive Churros

scum POV on this q from saudade

heres an interesting saudade/norwe interaction

VOTE: alchemist21
fence sitting passenger

does no one else thinks alch has been fence sitting scum passenger all along???

Would like to hear some actual thoughts from the passenger.

no1 else called alch the passenger im fairly sure

more useful/juicy norwe/saudade vibes

Churros/Saudade conflict was super interesting, and i think it spews them both as town. Because it was such a petty, pointless argument. And i didn’t see any reason for them to antagonize each other.

Firebringer claiming that he voted popop because his push on Saudade wasn't going anywhere. Then after unvoting popop and in the face of heated up game play for today he goes back to ... a push on Saudade that isn't going anywhere.

Firebringer has dropped back into my scum reads.

saudade/fire associative tells is real. zan is super close here.

@Saudade the Most Brilliant of Players. How do you rate yourself in this game for your solving?

How about you do you feel confident

idk i feel 80% certain on u being scum rn. It feels pretty gr8, but I don't quite have the golden egg to go home to mom with yet.

firebringers push on saudade was just weird. it was never going anywhere, i couldnt tell if it was meant to be a joke. he posted no evidence. low effort bussing for distance is what it looks like to me.

Hot Take: Norwee is town.

out of nowhere.


unrelated to my scumreads but i have nero town vibes now for real. i figure i should point out some posts that make me seem why.
sheeping luna not a bad idea considering her flip.

Also I think Zantetsu's probs town.

ohhh missed this.

anyone else?

Nero Cain, so far this seems like his town meta.

like, u constantly do shit all in every game and it's annoying as fuck.

this reads as genuine frustration. i also think there is no way nero is scum in the "intent to hammer" interaction from day 1 with firebringer and norwe. (i pointed it out above)


also profii is light town to me right now also. i am planning on heavily re-evaluating once quick catches up and posts more.

No one has given any serious thought to why wed get 2 wagons to l-1

I'm sad about that

this strikes me as town for some reason.

Just a reminder profii you never answered this:

No one has given any serious thought to why wed get 2 wagons to l-1

I'm sad about that

Do you think the wagon velocities in this game says something predominantly about town, predominantly about scum, or equally about both?

in the last few games I've played the scum day 1 lynches have had hella low velocity

So to see 3 rapid wagons means we probably arent hitting scum

so does this


so yea. i think we lynch firebringer here, but im down for norwe or saudade, pending claim. im gonna finish my reread probably tomorrow so ill have more but this felt worth getting out there

[popopopopopopo]

unvote

[Quick]

Just a reminder profii you never answered this:

No one has given any serious thought to why wed get 2 wagons to l-1

I'm sad about that

Do you think the wagon velocities in this game says something predominantly about town, predominantly about scum, or equally about both?

in the last few games I've played the scum day 1 lynches have had hella low velocity

So to see 3 rapid wagons means we probably arent hitting scum

Can we just lynch Nero?

[popopopopopopo]

I don't like how popop isn't voting Fire while calling him scum on p86

i just didnt want a quicklynch on fire, i hadnt kept track of votes.

[Alchemist21]

I like popo’s wallpost.

[popopopopopopo]

quick being clueless in thread, obviously not read the game, feels "town vt replacement" to me right now.

[popopopopopopo]

vote: firebringer

i feel fairly sure he is scum

hes literally scumclaimed in thread a few times now

[Firebringer]

hes literally scumclaimed in thread a few times now

and ill do it again!

im scum

[Firebringer]

I like popo’s wallpost.

its decent enough

[Quick]

Found the Scum team unless there is an error somewhere:

FB
Saudade
popo

[Quick]

Else:

Nero
Saudade
Alchemist

[Quick]

Else:

popo
Alch
FB

[Quick]

If Nero is Scum it has to be exactly Saudade + Alchemist.

So I am going to:

UNVOTE:

[popopopopopopo]

just for my own sanity,

alch jailkept churros n1
zan blocked churros n2

[Quick]

just for my own sanity,

alch jailkept churros n1
zan blocked churros n2

Yup. Still working.

I am going without the PR claim and just on play at this point.

[Quick]

So here's a less conservative list....

Saudade
popo
Alchemist

Saudade
popo
FB

Saudade
popo
Norwegian

popo
Alchemist
Nero

Saudade
Alchemist
Nero

If we take out the PR claims, we have:

Saudade
popo
FB

Saudade
popo
Norwegian

So from this........

Saudade and popo are both Scum and the remaining one is in FB or Norweigan.

This is without analyzing the whole game.

Zantetsu is never Scum here even without the PR claim because he can't be teamed with a full Scum team.

[Saudade]

Popop you say you've no clue on proffi at the moment

but did you in any past moment scum read or had a different read on the slot?

looking at my iso i had a light town read day 1, dont really remember why. just ctrl + f prof in my ISO i see i light defended the slot yesterday in favor of a pan lynch. i suppose he could be scum, could be town. hasn't really impacted me in the game.

good post

[Firebringer]

Found the Scum team unless there is an error somewhere:

FB
Saudade
popo

Else:

Nero
Saudade
Alchemist

Else:

popo
Alch
FB

how are these being built

[Saudade]

It feels really gross the way you treated me this game and I'm probably the unique one going against your lynch

It's not alignment indicative in my opinion, and it more likely than not means you're town by that treatment because you could just try to pocket me and use me to get through the days if you were scum

but at the same time it's not a complete clear and if you're scum I'm gonna feel absolutely sick that I defended your slot. Maybe because I'm defending you, you also feel entitled to be condensing.

I really feel like going with consensus and lynching you today to assure that you're not scum in any universe because I'm not ok losing to you here.

ok. i didnt mean to upset you. i apologize if i was being a dick.

awhhhhhhh he's so cute

[Quick]

Analyzing the whole game with probably show some false positives, in which case, I would need to reevaluate.

[Quick]

Will

[popopopopopopo]

So here's a less conservative list....

Saudade
popo
Alchemist

Saudade
popo
FB

Saudade
popo
Norwegian

popo
Alchemist
Nero

Saudade
Alchemist
Nero

If we take out the PR claims, we have:

Saudade
popo
FB

Saudade
popo
Norwegian

So from this........

Saudade and popo are both Scum and the remaining one is in FB or Norweigan.

This is without analyzing the whole game.

Zantetsu is never Scum here even without the PR claim because he can't be teamed with a full Scum team.

[Saudade]

VT.

Saudadeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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