Mini Normal 2141: The World of Tomorrow [Game over!]

[Nauci]

My strongest opinion so far is that Puppy looks surprisingly town for how early it is - his/her posting seems very open and straightforward so far and I think that kind of mindset is much more likely to come from town than scum

I like Blair's playstyle but she feels competent enough for what she's posted so far to come from town or scum. She's putting in the work tho so she'll prob be readable before too long

VOTE: Nauci
Not particularly confident in it but she's a fine first 'real' vote - NPOM feels like he/she'd be a good early target for scum given their abrasiveness so far and doubling down on mavs' RVS post having a justification and saying that he disappeared 12 hours into the game seems dumb.
like yeah there's mavs literally now because it's morning and it makes sense

Might have more at lunch (which is in like 3 hours since some of ya'll seem like non-East Coasters)

Your reasoning for scum reading me is that I (weak) scum read NPOM and mavs who you're considering low hanging fruit. This logic is belied by the fact that I have a stronger scum read in the very same post who is neither abrasive nor inactive.

Bit of a reach, no?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Just woke up, did a quick skim and will read again with a few more posts, but here are some quick thoughts.

Voted Atarashi because i thought he sheeped Blair a few times, but now i see one of those was just a pedit post order and i got the order confused. Atarashi looking town, i don't think he and blair could both be scum, that looks town v town.

VP looks a little prickly, just an impression.

Want to think more about Nauci and hear more from mavsfan

[Gammagooey]

My strongest opinion so far is that Puppy looks surprisingly town for how early it is - his/her posting seems very open and straightforward so far and I think that kind of mindset is much more likely to come from town than scum

I like Blair's playstyle but she feels competent enough for what she's posted so far to come from town or scum. She's putting in the work tho so she'll prob be readable before too long

VOTE: Nauci
Not particularly confident in it but she's a fine first 'real' vote - NPOM feels like he/she'd be a good early target for scum given their abrasiveness so far and doubling down on mavs' RVS post having a justification and saying that he disappeared 12 hours into the game seems dumb.
like yeah there's mavs literally now because it's morning and it makes sense

Might have more at lunch (which is in like 3 hours since some of ya'll seem like non-East Coasters)

Your reasoning for scum reading me is that I (weak) scum read NPOM and mavs who you're considering low hanging fruit. This logic is belied by the fact that I have a stronger scum read in the very same post who is neither abrasive nor inactive.

Bit of a reach, no?

I assumed the mavs read was the stronger one since it was further down on a list that went from town->scum

And yeah I could be wrong about you and/or NPOM and not be terribly surprised. Time will tell my friend

[Nauci]

Fwiw I considered moving my vote but wanted to wait until A: the next vote count, and B: players to be around so I can see real time reactions

[CantHateAPuppy]

I don't see any logical reason for the Blair/Atarashi teamup unless they are scumbuddies to be honest.

I had the opposite reaction, which is that two scum wouldn't naturally fall into sync like blair and atarashi did, scum would be too self-conscious.

If you really think you have a lead on two scum, I'd like to hear you develop your town reads, because a lof ot your posts just seem like empty, I feel like I can't really see what ur thinking:

FoS on Atarashi is fair because I am EXTREMELY susceptible to buddying and I've played with Atarashi before so I suspect he knows that.

Everyone else please start spewing town so we can wrap this one up with minimal complications.

This is a searching for town cred statement.

Which part is searching for town cred?

How is it searching for town cred?

What conclusions have you drawn from this?

which part do you think is searching for town cred? Town cred is given not asked for so asking for it is generally bad.

If votato's vote(71) was L1 then your vote(63) would be L2 if you were the vote before that. I'm not going to repeat my objection.

If votato's vote(71) was L1 then your vote(63) would be L2 if you were the vote before that. I'm not going to repeat my objection.

So you're saying

from Atarashi's perspective

he was near the end of the wagon?

I guess. I did not do a detailed vote history if that's what you're asking.

If votato's vote(71) was L1 then your vote(63) would be L2 if you were the vote before that. I'm not going to repeat my objection.

So you're saying

from Atarashi's perspective

he was near the end of the wagon?

Like, even if this is true I'm not sure I understand the objection. If it's a 5-to-lynch wagon, third vote is dead center on the wagon. Saying it's "at the end" seems kinda arbitrary.

You're the one that announced the L1 vote. Maybe I was wrong for assuming you had done your research?

So I should have asked myself to spew town as well?

I'm not really following. (Also, THAT definitely would be asking for town cred)

You shouldn't "ask yourself to spew town", you should just do things that are pro town rather than go around looking for people that think you are town.

I don't like how Atarashi is attacking the attacker in regards to his wagon rather than looking for scum like town should.

Scumhunting is one of the better ways to deflect attacks off oneself, do you believe Atarashi is the sort of player who panics as scum under the pressure of a couple votes in the first six hours of Day 1 and begins flailing?

I suspect he's tunneling because he feels the argument against him is so outrageous that he actually believes demonstrating that outrage

does

constitute scumhunting.

Or he's scum and he thinks if he complains long enough it will go away, and he can't think of any scummy arguments against town.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Neither of them seem disingenuous to me.

Really? This I need to hear. My understanding of the situation is he makes this super bad argument that he doesn't really ever elaborate on, but doesn't actually vote me off of it. Votato comes in and starts to quasi-push it (he later says he doesn't buy it, but doesn't like my defense to it which is another conversation entirely) and NPOM kinda just sits back and lets it happen. I've tried to engage him off of it multiple times and he refuses to discuss it. I'm really trying to see how this is a genuine push, but I feel like if it was genuine he would've voted me ~3 pages ago or there would be a lot more substantive back and forth between myself and him.

Posts like this make me lean more and more town on Atarashi

(Don't worry blair, this time I won't unvote and then leave my vote "out of play", just for you )

[CantHateAPuppy]

atarashi, if you go re-read i think you'll find is that what i found scummy about you was not the vote you placed, or how close it put puppy to a lynch, but rather the lack of reasoning for the vote and some of your posts immediately following. Actually, the feeling is getting stronger. you are really indignant whenever anyone dares to think anything you do is scummy. you aggressively push at anyone who calls you out. you placed an OMGUS vote. i dont recall ever seeing you this jumpy. and i've read through a couple of your previous games. your post style is also rather different. you are usually an analytical player with long wallposts. here you are asking questions and pressing people. it feels pretty different.

Can you please elaborate on what makes Atarashi seem "jumpy" compared to previous games? Why would Atarashi start posting walls when we are only just out of RVS?

[VP Baltar]

Are you saying you don't get a read from those posts, or, specifically, that you're getting scummy, forced vibes from them?

They have an air of being forced to me. Granted, could just be bad town play...but I'm more skeptical than that (or at the very least, my gut doesn't trigger that way). They felt more like scum out over their skis than the strong town read you said you got from them.

Fwiw I considered moving my vote but wanted to wait until A: the next vote count, and B: players to be around so I can see real time reactions

Actually, yeah, why haven't you moved your vote?

I'm not entirely following the logic in your move from town to scum vibes Atarashi. What am I missing?

[CantHateAPuppy]

#229 was meant to be spoiler tag, not one massive quote, sorry guys.

[votato]

atarashi, if you go re-read i think you'll find is that what i found scummy about you was not the vote you placed, or how close it put puppy to a lynch, but rather the lack of reasoning for the vote and some of your posts immediately following. Actually, the feeling is getting stronger. you are really indignant whenever anyone dares to think anything you do is scummy. you aggressively push at anyone who calls you out. you placed an OMGUS vote. i dont recall ever seeing you this jumpy. and i've read through a couple of your previous games. your post style is also rather different. you are usually an analytical player with long wallposts. here you are asking questions and pressing people. it feels pretty different.

Can you please elaborate on what makes Atarashi seem "jumpy" compared to previous games? Why would Atarashi start posting walls when we are only just out of RVS?

i cant explain why he'd post walls right out of RVS. all i can do is tell you what ive seen. Actually i've done a deeper dive through his past games and the wallposts are not guaranteed as town. The game i'm thinking of is actually still ongoing, so I'll retract that part. As for being jumpy, I don't recall him being so OMGUSsy towards people FoSsing him.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Ok, but if Atarashi writes walls as town or scum, and being jumpy is something you've never seen before, why does that mean scum? Wouldn't something you'd never seen before be just as likely town?

[votato]

Ok, but if Atarashi writes walls as town or scum, and being jumpy is something you've never seen before, why does that mean scum? Wouldn't something you'd never seen before be just as likely town?

thats not what i said. I sad that as town they doesn't always wallpost in the very early game. they only has one completed scumgame onsite. here is the ISO. almost all fluff and IIOA. no wallposts. so the lack of wallposts here is NAI, but the jumpy response still could fit.

[CantHateAPuppy]

The wallpost stuff doesn't really matter if it's not part of your read anymore

But if you've never seen jumpy Atarashi, why is jumpy Atarashi scum? Why not town or null?

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 1.3

Atarashi Hajimari

(2): CantLynchAPuppy, Quick

VP Baltar

(1): Blair

Blair

(1): NoPowerOverMe

NoPowerOverMe

(1): Atarashi Hajimari

Nauci

(1): Gammagooey

mavsfan41

(1): Nauci

Quick

(1): mavsfan41

votato

(1): VP Baltar

Not Voting

(4): ready2rock, votato, Peter Pan, iDanyboy

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)

[votato]

cuz its very different than what i've seen from him previously, which was all town.

[VP Baltar]

Why are you not voting him then?

[CantHateAPuppy]

But u just said that u were going to ignore the "wall tell" because u read over one of his scum games

Which is it? U have only seen town Atarashi and this doesn't look like it, or u have seen Atarashi as scum in all those games u claim u read?

[votato]

because i didnt realize that i wasnt. VOTE: atarashi

[votato]

But u just said that u were going to ignore the "wall tell" because u read over one of his scum games

Which is it? U have only seen town Atarashi and this doesn't look like it, or u have seen Atarashi as scum in all those games u claim u read?

this is a stupid argument and doesnt reflect what i said. if you look over the ISO that i linked, its pretty short. also, sample size = 1. all the meta stuff is a small part of the reason i suspect atarashi. their behavior in this game is why i scum read them. even after reading over that scum game, i dont feel like i have a clear pattern established of what scum!atarashi does. except maybe lurk and fluff, but that could be in that instance rather than a rule.

[votato]

also, its page fucking 10. no one has the game solved. im probably wrong about atarashi. im just spitballing here and point out something i noticed. if you agree with me, why arent you voting atarashi? if you disagree, why not tell me what you disagree with? puppy and VP, what are your reads? what do you think of atarashi? you're both asking questions without actually offering up any thoughts of your own.

[CantHateAPuppy]

But u just said that u were going to ignore the "wall tell" because u read over one of his scum games

Which is it? U have only seen town Atarashi and this doesn't look like it, or u have seen Atarashi as scum in all those games u claim u read?

this is a stupid

argument

and doesnt reflect what i said. if you look over the ISO that i linked, its pretty short. also, sample size = 1. all the meta stuff is a small part of the reason i suspect atarashi. their behavior in this game is why i scum read them. even after reading over that scum game, i dont feel like i have a clear pattern established of what scum!atarashi does. except maybe lurk and fluff, but that could be in that instance rather than a rule.

This is disingenuous. I am not making an argument but poking at your read which looks flimsy under scrutiny

You said that atarashi was scum because you thought he was jumpy compared to what he is like as town, and because you think he wall posts more as town. A "wall tell" and a "jump tell"

You said you read other games of his to determine this.

When I push you on this, you admit that your "wall tellQ falls under scrutiny because of a game where Atarashi was scum, then say that your "jump tell" is still good because you have never seen scum Atarashi

These are two weak tells, and they don't match. I think I've caught you pretending to scum humt

pedit: Now you jump to attacking me? Flail

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: votato

Sheep me and I will shepherd, nobody is on a wagon as good as this one

[votato]

But u just said that u were going to ignore the "wall tell" because u read over one of his scum games

Which is it? U have only seen town Atarashi and this doesn't look like it, or u have seen Atarashi as scum in all those games u claim u read?

this is a stupid

argument

and doesnt reflect what i said. if you look over the ISO that i linked, its pretty short. also, sample size = 1. all the meta stuff is a small part of the reason i suspect atarashi. their behavior in this game is why i scum read them. even after reading over that scum game, i dont feel like i have a clear pattern established of what scum!atarashi does. except maybe lurk and fluff, but that could be in that instance rather than a rule.

This is disingenuous. I am not making an argument but poking at your read which looks flimsy under scrutiny

You said that atarashi was scum because you thought he was jumpy compared to what he is like as town, and because you think he wall posts more as town. A "wall tell" and a "jump tell"

You said you read other games of his to determine this.

When I push you on this, you admit that your "wall tellQ falls under scrutiny because of a game where Atarashi was scum, then say that your "jump tell" is still good because you have never seen scum Atarashi

These are two weak tells, and they don't match. I think I've caught you pretending to scum humt

pedit: Now you jump to attacking me? Flail

are you even trying to accurately represent what i said? I said the lack of wallposts isnt necessarily AI. it could be. jumpiness is more likely to be, since it isnt what town!atarashi does. and you've ignored all of atarashi's other posts. and you're refusing to answer my questions.

tl;dr fuck off

[CantHateAPuppy]

Hi votato!

You are welcome to vote me, since your Atarashi read is so weak and you keep implying I'm "refusing" and "ignoring". It sounds like you suspect me. That's great! Totally wrong, but it's great you are getting rid of your old made up reads for some new ones.

Thanks for reading!

- Puppy

[votato]