Its more trying to figure out if there is a clearer POV to aid in reading than purely basing a read all off their claim.In post 220, Hiraki wrote:I do not understand the point of reading into the masons/neighbor/scumteam claim. This game will not be won over role speculation.
I fuck with everybody monkey. That's what donkeys do.In post 224, humaneatingmonkey wrote:you better not be fucking with me, donkey
In what way?In post 219, Hiraki wrote:It indicates the opposite.
In what way?In post 219, Hiraki wrote:This is scummy.
What is this?In post 219, Hiraki wrote:meta garbage pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttttttt
Not what you bolded, no. The line I underlined above, yes.In post 192, HoldenGolden wrote:?In post 161, Madoka wrote:Ithink that's probably not alignment indicative. It seems to depend on his motivation.During a round of Conspiracy, he was similar in tone.From what I've observed, I think town!Datasi comes alive when he feels he has good insight.That being said,perhaps you may be onto something with the Umlaut vote.What did you not like about it.I presume he was voting Umlaut for the sake of making the wagons even?
Was this a way to gague Hoctac's read?
Yes, but I'm referring to the degree/lengths of your explanation. For example, you quoted the entire series of posts surrounding your umlaut vote. And then you explained your entire thought process on the Mason claim in long-winded way.In post 175, Datisi wrote:it would've beenIn post 173, Madoka wrote:Stating that you were just making the wagons even would have been sufficient.sufficient, but it wouldn't have beentrue. i wanted it known that i'm also slightly suspecting umlaut. which might or might not be a moot point now if they reaffirm the mason claims or not.
Someone can tell me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the premade setups are single-use, so this is not one that has been played before (unless it just happens to coincidentally be the same as some random game from four years ago or something)In post 178, Datisi wrote:i'd guess these setups are pulled at random from the approved premade setups.
i was satisfied with the interaction and i no longer thought HG was being disingenuous.In post 230, Umlaut wrote:@HEM What changed for you between those two posts?
Do you see a perspective in which it's scummy?In post 233, Datisi wrote:Umlaut, why do you find my 167 towny?
In post 202, humaneatingmonkey wrote:yes you seem more accusatory and it's pinging me
In post 203, humaneatingmonkey wrote:you're scum, aren't you?
??? This is a really strange progression.
sure, level 0 thinking of "overdefensive = scum".In post 234, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Do you see a perspective in which it's scummy?In post 233, Datisi wrote:Umlaut, why do you find my 167 towny?
I remember town!HG to be more "commentative/cooperative" than "accusatory/aggressive" and seeing that distinct change in personality almost immediately after our last game gave me the heebeejeebies
Could you show me where Datisi says this? I only remember him saying "You can't just ask that" and then I talked about it more.....In post 230, Umlaut wrote:I note that after Datisi said "stop asking about that" he stopped outright even while everyone else kept on about it,
I discounted it because Neighbors claiming mason seemed very anti-town to do.In post 230, Umlaut wrote:and also discounting the neighbor suggestion kind of makes sense if he already knows neither of us is scum.
it was more defensive than it needed to be, sure. i'm perfectly aware i could've "gotten away" with only "lol wagon make even".In post 238, Madoka wrote:Datisi, do you agree then that it was overdefensive?
let's assume we are masons. i claim our masonry in the main thread, and you are frustrated by this. i would expect you to open the mason pt and ask me why i did so, as opposed to making a show of it in the game thread, as doing so only compounds the issue that has led to your frustration.In post 185, GeorgeBailey wrote:I can't think of a reason the Neighbors would co-ordinate a Mason fake claim, especially if they don't know each other's alignment (Neighbors usually don't right?).
it is very difficult for me to read holdengolden. he has seemed productive to me which i think is town indicative for him but the holes he is saying there are in the mason claim interpretations seem to simply be him not taking into account town or scum motivations for it, which could be malicious.In post 196, humaneatingmonkey wrote:shiki is HG town?
i am townleaning monkey. he didn't give a really forced scumread on an rvs vote the way he did in both the last blitz game and newbie 1996 and i don't think mafia would be so eager to celebrate a recent scum victory. he also seems less mechanical (for lack of a better word) here than last time.In post 197, HoldenGolden wrote:Shiki is HEM town?
madoka had just made her first post in the thread immediately proceeding your scumread of me, which didn't have anything to do with current events but rather from looking over my iso. like you were looking for a reason to give a scumread. if you and hoctac were neighbours and you were town it is possible that hoctac thought i would correlate these events and gave you that reasoning beforehand, which i assume town!you would have evaluated and potentially reached the conclusion that it was a good way of scumhunting, since you were seemingly already using your vote to create pressure. it felt more like you were trying to evaluate hoctac than datisi to me, which would be a very strange thing for a mason to be doing.In post 230, Umlaut wrote:That said, I don't understand shiki's points in 174. Why would Madoka in particular have asked for me to vote you, shiki? Or why would I accept Hoctac's suggestion to vote someone in particular if we were just neighbors and I were town? And why shouldn't I ask Hoctac to elaborate his thoughts in here if I want to see how others respond to them and whether they agree? The benefit I saw it having was just what I said, I don't know enough about Datisi to agree or disagree so I want him to clarify here so others can agree or disagree.
He seems a lot more jokier and laid back in that Newbie game, so I think I can see what you mean.In post 241, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Compare this to this.
Although I think I buy that the change in playstyle can come from town!HG. I think scum!HG would focus more on defending that he isn't off his town game than outright saying he changed his playstyle.
Ah, alright. So this is based on them overselling it. The townie motivation is to evaluate your partner then, correct?In post 243, shiki wrote:now let's say we are neighbours and you are town. i suggest we claim masons, you ask why, i give examples of similar claims used effectively as scumhunting and say it is fun. this seems somewhat suspicious of me but it is plausible you go along with it. in this situation do you think you would oversell your frustration?
now let's say we are neighbours and you are mafia. i suggest we claim masons. this is a very beneficial situation for you, as only having me evaluate your towniness is good if you think you can convince me you're town. in order to do so i assume you react very skeptically towards the idea but go along with it under the guise of sorting my slot specifically. in this situation do you think you would oversell your frustration?
