Micro 940: A Normal Blitz II - Game Over

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay. but can you see how it could come across like that?

[Datisi]

VOTE: monkey

next best place after Datisi insinuating he's gonna have a mental breakdown for being shitpushed

it was not my intention to insinuate that but it may or may not be true

[Hoctac]

Yeah, sure. Seeing a random naked readslist like that could be perceived as forced after the preceeding discussion involving everyone doubting us. I don't think your suggestion is scummy.

[Hoctac]

I'll check out what you linked now, Datisi

[Hoctac]

war flashbacks

Yeah, fair enough

[humaneatingmonkey]

Am I scummy Hoctac?

[Hoctac]

You're mixed. I agree with shiki that your early excitement of rolling town might be genuine. Your Holden read/progression pinged me as forced.

[humaneatingmonkey]

With how both of us explaining our POV, do you still think it's forced?

[Hoctac]

the events that went down were:
-you suggest Holden feels different
-Holden explains he's changing his playstyle
-you say, yes, you feel different, and then vote him with the "i think this is scum"

It feels a little unnatural, ya know what I'm saying?

[Hoctac]

why are you relieved that im scum trying to buddy you instead of scum trying to shade you

You said you're relieved as if you've decided I'm town just because I'm scumread you, as if you were suspicious that I'm scum, but that's the flimsiest reason to decide I'm town there.

But you said I'm a townlean. Why am I a townlean?

Also, this read as a joke to me:

HG how do you feel when i tell you that im not townreading you

Relieved. Would hate to find out you were scum trying to buddy me again.

Nice curious George joke btw

[Micc]

Votecount 1.04

GeorgeBailey (2) -

Umlaut, humaneatingmonkey

Madoka (2) -

GeorgeBailey, Datisi

humaneatingmonkey (2) -

Hiraki, Hoctac

Not Voting (3) -

Madoka, HoldenGolden, shiki

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-05-17 18:10:00).

[humaneatingmonkey]

The HEM-HG spat seems to me like it can easily be TvT. I totally buy "trying to more aggressively push my scumreads" as a kind of change someone would deliberately make as town, and I totally buy that HEM would be pinged if HG's playstyle changed that way. What does bother me a bit is HEM voting him in 210 after HG has already explained this, and then unvoting in 223 after the explanation. @HEM What changed for you between those two posts?

I thought it was pretty quickly clear that he had agreed that the playstyle change made sense given his pings. The continuation of the vote seem to be based on his misinterpretation of my read on him which required addtional explaintions on my part.

Reread that section. Does that knowledge change your read?

have you seen this? what's your reaction to it?

[Datisi]

GeorgeBailey (2) - Umlaut, humaneatingmonkey
Madoka (2) - GeorgeBailey, Datisi
humaneatingmonkey (2) - Hiraki, Hoctac

wow look all wagons are nice and even

[humaneatingmonkey]

GeorgeBailey (2) - Umlaut, humaneatingmonkey
Madoka (2) - GeorgeBailey, Datisi
humaneatingmonkey (2) - Hiraki, Hoctac

wow look all wagons are nice and even

x2

[humaneatingmonkey]

Spoiler:

The HEM-HG spat seems to me like it can easily be TvT. I totally buy "trying to more aggressively push my scumreads" as a kind of change someone would deliberately make as town, and I totally buy that HEM would be pinged if HG's playstyle changed that way. What does bother me a bit is HEM voting him in 210 after HG has already explained this, and then unvoting in 223 after the explanation. @HEM What changed for you between those two posts?

I thought it was pretty quickly clear that he had agreed that the playstyle change made sense given his pings. The continuation of the vote seem to be based on his misinterpretation of my read on him which required addtional explaintions on my part.

Reread that section. Does that knowledge change your read?

have you seen this? what's your reaction to it?

I'm talking to Hoctac here, of course

[humaneatingmonkey]

im sorry if im asking too much questions Hoctac, it's just that your POV in voting me doesn't really make much sense to me. i feel like everything in your gut ping has been explained properly.

[Umlaut]

Umlaut, why do you find my 167 towny? What do you make of Madoka finding it scummy?

I mean 169 itself could go either way, it's more in combination with 175 that it seems like you are trying to give the real reason for your vote instead of the best reason, if that makes sense. I don't really see the overdefensiveness that Madoka is talking about, and it seems like an easy thing to pick at, but I don't think picking at easy things is necessarily scummy.

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VOTE: GeorgeBailey

I know why I'm voting him, why are you voting him?

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Could you show me where Datisi says this? I only remember him saying "You can't just ask that" and then I talked about it more.....

Yeah, it was "you can't just ask that" and not "stop asking that," I didn't mean it to be a direct quote. I meant that you backed off of asking the question in a way that strikes me as conciliatory.

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Hey, George, give us a shotgun readlist! Go go go

A lot of gut feelings around here. You sure you all don't have tape worms?

Not a great read list there.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I know why I'm voting him, why are you voting him?

im sheeping you and i want this game to develop. i have no reads on anyone other than the masons, HG, and shiki.

[Hoctac]

It's a

feeling

, and I can't expand on it any further, monkey. The basis of the read relies on you not actually misinterpreting Holden's read on you.

I guess George disappearing after I prompted him for reads deserves more scrutiny.

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

[Hiraki]

In what way?

idk guys earlier i was thinking of bringing it up but then i thought "but then their reaction would probably confirm it and i dont want to confirm it if it wasnt a joke"
so im not resonating

You are implying that this is objective based rather than perception based. I think we may just be thinking of the same idea with different terms. I am saying that he is objectifying his perception in order to look townie. You are saying that his perception is an object to use to look townie. In which case, we would be agreeing rather than what I stated.

In what way?

Very fake bandwagon-y, generic and incorrect. Again - not sure how I'm "lurking" especially in regards to what you had done up to that point in time.

What is this?

There was meta garbage in the middle of those posts that I skipped.

I like that he says he's in the same place I am on reads in 160 because we've been in the same place like that in past games where we were both town.

We have done this before and been on the flip side though. Not sure what your point is here.

it's forced and you know it

And? If it's forced?

i don't think it's exclusively scummy or anything. just that it gives context to the fact that disbelieving your claim is a valid town POV.

This is weird.

I could be game for George D2 but I think Monkey flips scum here D1.

[humaneatingmonkey]

:/

I'm trying to read here if Hiraki is intentionally placing malicious context in my posts or if he's just super tunneled.

Hiraki, are you scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

shiki, is Hiraki scum?

[Datisi]

why do you ask shiki again?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i do zero meta and shiki does a lot.

[Hoctac]

VOTE: monkey

restoring evenness to the wagons

happy to lynch anyone at this point, day has dragged on for far too long