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[mastina]

Vote: jjh

Bingle was also wrong when he defended votato and called votato locktown.

Was Bingle scum for holding that opinion?

...No?

...Yes, precisely.

Bingle and jjh are two people in the same state of mind, more or less. They see the world incredibly similarly. Both thought votato was town; both were wrong. It, already proved with Bingle, doesn't make them scum. jjh is still town.

[mastina]

I don't see why scum don't just claim the vig

Also this is the ultimate proof that I am not votato's scumbuddy because you know what my stance on scum roleclaiming is; it's that the truth is the best weapon and that you shouldn't lie. If I were votato's scumbuddy, I'd have had him claim town 1x janitoring vig, because that's his actual role.

[mastina]

Who NKs Blatant Scum

Also not me. If I were scum, then because scumastina would assume protectives would be on PenguinPower, you'd be my nightkill N2. Or even N1. You've become an incredibly popular N1 nightkill, it's just that most protective roles are too stupid to realize that and actually protect you. (A mistake I assure you I would not make. )

[mastina]

I'd rather sheep April at this point

You're sheeping scum.

See how well that works out for you.

[mastina]

I understand you thought you had some kind of angle to push with it, but it literally states in Krazy’s rules that they can change it.

Mod: can a mafia member change their factional kill flavor? For example, votato's kill flavor is listed as 'gored'; could he have chosen to change this kill flavor to something else, e.g. 'drowned'?

[mastina]

I understand you thought you had some kind of angle to push with it, but it literally states in Krazy’s rules that they can change it.

Mod: can a mafia member change their factional kill flavor? For example, votato's kill flavor is listed as 'gored'; could he have chosen to change this kill flavor to something else, e.g. 'drowned'?

[April Ludgate]

Vote: jjh

Bingle was also wrong when he defended votato and called votato locktown.

Was Bingle scum for holding that opinion?

...No?

...Yes, precisely.

Bingle and jjh are two people in the same state of mind, more or less. They see the world incredibly similarly. Both thought votato was town; both were wrong. It, already proved with Bingle, doesn't make them scum. jjh is still town.

I mean, you’re wrong or scum.

It literally states in Krazy’s rules that scum’s factional kill is able to change.

If I were scum with Votato, there’s literally no reason to claim it that way because I would know about the kill flavor.

The fact that the kill flavor is different is actually yet another reason why I’m town.

[April Ludgate]

It seems like you were scum annoyed by your partner, to be honest, and I believe you are speaking truth. You just aren’t town.

[April Ludgate]

I don't see why scum don't just claim the vig

Also this is the ultimate proof that I am not votato's scumbuddy because you know what my stance on scum roleclaiming is; it's that the truth is the best weapon and that you shouldn't lie. If I were votato's scumbuddy, I'd have had him claim town 1x janitoring vig, because that's his actual role.

Like I said, scum partner who didn’t get along.

[April Ludgate]

@Jjh - if you’re town, Mastina’s making strong pocketing attempts towards you.

[April Ludgate]

Flips may include kill flavor. While this may suggest the role behind the kill, some killing roles may be able to obscure or change their flavor.


Doesn’t say factional just says kill, factional was for Votato’s role.

[April Ludgate]

It’s honestly probably Mastina’s role that gets to change kill flavor.

[April Ludgate]

this is roughly where I’m at

Penguinpower
Dunnstral/Conspire/Clover Ebi
Farside/Holden/Birds
Jjh
Chemist
Mastina

I don’t expect to be correct completely with the bottom 3.

[April Ludgate]

I can see possible Jjh town based on Mastina pocket attempts, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t understand why Dunn and Far were pushing there.

[farside22]

Vote: jjh

Bingle was also wrong when he defended votato and called votato locktown.

Was Bingle scum for holding that opinion?

...No?

...Yes, precisely.

Bingle and jjh are two people in the same state of mind, more or less. They see the world incredibly similarly. Both thought votato was town; both were wrong. It, already proved with Bingle, doesn't make them scum. jjh is still town.

That's not the only reason I'm scum reading him.
You do realize he was not only dramatically opposed to the wagon, even when it came to trying to get a lynch for the end of the day he wouldn't lynch votato and never stated why he town read the guy.
I could go on but there is also other things I find scummy about the guy, but what did you make of back and forth with Dunn and JJh?

this is roughly where I’m at

Penguinpower
Dunnstral/Conspire/Clover Ebi
Farside/Holden/Birds
Jjh
Chemist
Mastina

I don’t expect to be correct completely with the bottom 3.

I would probably switch birds and chemist, but I'm not sure about Mastina right now and clover is on my scum list.

[Dunnstral]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11732544

This role compared to what jjh is claiming - it feels weird for you to be calling jjh town for it

[Krazy]

I understand you thought you had some kind of angle to push with it, but it literally states in Krazy’s rules that they can change it.

Mod: can a mafia member change their factional kill flavor? For example, votato's kill flavor is listed as 'gored'; could he have chosen to change this kill flavor to something else, e.g. 'drowned'?

Not based on votato's card, but kill flavor is another flavor mech element of the game which can have mech interactions, so there could be a mafia role that targets a different member of the mafia team to change their kill flavor, sure.

[farside22]

Dunnstral and Farside are still scum though

Just, Dunnstral more clearly than Farside now.

With no reason why that is.

Okay I've read the last few pages now

VOTE: Mastina

Your reads aren't adapting as far as I can tell

Says the player that reads are not adapting.

There goes Clover still making me want to lynch him. Solid town.

I have to wonder about you PP. I'm assuming this is a thing you and Clover go through.......is there a time you played he was scum?

Yeah you started shifting the wagon without any way of knowing who would show up a little after this VC

It's the main reason I suspect you

The main reason I'm not voting you right now is that my reads have been garbage and I'd rather sheep April at this point

Lets get down to facts. Around the push for the end of the day you stated this little gem

I'm not voting votato

There was 2 hours left till deadline and votato was at l-3
When this occurred

If every one of us moved to Dr Easy Bake, I think we have similar odds of lynching there as we do Votato.

Assuming jjh doesn't vote Votato, but does settle on Dr easy Bake.

His vote is notably absent here as well.

Thoughts?

It was 20 minutes later then your vote and a few other people said they would change their votes and would feel more comfortable voting elsewhere. Why you ignored that is beyond me.
But I digress.
You never switched your vote to help lynch anyone at the end of the day. How does that help?
You are literally calling 1 player scum who where pushing for a scum lynch more during day 1 and you said your reads are still the same. (You know the player you called out scum for tunneling, which I said I do)

I'm going to say jjh on his fake shit. Call it a day.

Oooohhhhh and before I forget I may feel differently about bird with the end of day 1 and his vote, but idk the only push he made was on chemist and Aero can be sometimes hard to read.

[jjh927]

I don't see anything there that is actually both a point and true

[jjh927]

I can still convince myself Mastina is scum here based on circumstantial game stuff, but I still feel like her posting is town.

[mastina]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11732544
This role compared to what jjh is claiming - it feels weird for you to be calling jjh town for it

And I wasn't scum that game, not really--I was explicitly playing to a third party win condition, and the role was entirely revolving around said third party wincon. Not a lick of scum in that. Purely 3p there. To demonstrate, this is what my role PM was from that game, almost unedited:

masturbating

Your ability is to: You are a chronic masturbater. If you can get the entire town to masturbate, then you win the game. This does not end the game.

Win Conditions
-You win if every living town player masturbates.
-Your drug is stimulant, here you can talk with other Stimulant type drugs.

This was the role as I was playing it; this was the role as I was making use of it. I was playing to the third party wincon.
Now, obviously, yes, strictly speaking, by a technicality, that wasn't the entirety of my role PM, which was this:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Gin's Joint Pick4U - mastina Role PM
Date: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:02 am
From: Ginngie
To:

Spoiler: mastina

masturbating

Your ability is to: You are a chronic masturbater. If you can get the entire town to masturbate, then you win the game. This does not end the game.

Win Conditions
-You are aligned with the Wolves, you win when you control 50% of the town and nothing can stop you.
-You win if every living town player masturbates.
-Your drug is stimulant, here you can talk with other Stimulant type drugs.
-You may talk with your partners here: Wolf PT

...But I was, very explicitly, not playing to the werewolf wincon there (and by the way the werewolf faction was more akin to a serial killer--still third party--than to a mafia faction). I was playing to the 3p wincon because it was a role that was self-evidently designed to be played to the third party wincon.

That wasn't a scum role because, 1: the main scum faction that game was the mafia (who ended up having five members by the end of the game), NOT the werewolves,
2: I was aware of this and so too was the mod when designing it,
3: And it was pretty obvious it was designed to be played to the 3p wincon, not the werewolf wincon.

[mastina]

I can still convince myself Mastina is scum here based on circumstantial game stuff, but I still feel like her posting is town.

I mean it's pretty damn obvious I'm not the one calling the shots on the scumteam. votato never fakeclaims if I'm in charge; scum never kill Blatant Scum if I'm in charge. (Heck, even if scum wouldn't kill you with me as scum, there's better options, e.g. a blind farside kill would still be better to make than a Blatant Scum kill.)
And since there aint a scumteam in the world where I wouldn't be in charge, that's the best proof there is that I am.

Also there's one very obvious thing which makes me town which you probably should've figured out by now.

[Dunnstral]

And I wasn't scum that game, not really--I was explicitly playing to a third party win condition, and the role was entirely revolving around said third party wincon. Not a lick of scum in that. Purely 3p there.

That's still not town

[Dunnstral]

The important part is that you've seen a similar role as not town recently, not how you played it in another game, yet you called it for sure town here without putting much thought into it

[jjh927]

VOTE: Chemist