Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Raven Branwen]

@NK

1. Why did you not state you forgot to train earlier?
2. How did you forget to train?
3. If you are low on XP why are you not voting for Pokerus?
4.

Why are you ignoring that SpringRaven has been spewed town by kerset

5. Where do you believe Raya was acting defensively and based on the examples you give, how do you think she should have reacted to them?
6. What is your read on GinnieSoulEnergy and MomoSae?

Also if you're low on XP why didn't you ask me for XP when I offered at the start of the day?

I don`t need you to give me xp next night. I can train. Then I have 4xp and can upgrade.

@NK15: if you are actually town here, how are you ignoring all of my posting that points to you being dead wrong on my slot? spring was obviously scummy town. I’ve already explained why the involuntary bus theory coming from scum!Farkran of all people makes no sense and spring was very clearly not down with being captured. She was desperate to become Quest leader, so how are you not seeing any of this?

[Raven Branwen]

I think that's a readlist, actually. Based on Hectic's current vote, 376 is town to scum and 378 is scum to town (why did you post twice in reverse order?)

It looks very, very close to my own right now, but why is NK15 so high, if my interpretation of your post is correct? It's more null to me. Also i think you're discounting springlullaby a bit too much, his behavior and his improvements also turned her into a nulltown-ish slot to me, but 4th place is… high. Is she that easy a read to you?

Gingie is another concern that i have atm, but that's because i agree with you on the position he's occupying. My other tinfoil read is Chloe possibly scum for her interactions with mastina and springlullaby.

Wondering how many scum there are in the {

chloe, concorde, spring, gingie

} group.

-Farkran

Likely translation: Wondering how many of these I can mislynch, more likely.

[Raven Branwen]

@Ame, Rereading Farkset ISO, their interactions with LC are blatantly antipartnery. I will 100% hard veto any wagon on Creature.

[Raya36]

Not Lynch Pile

Raven is town
Raya is playing really townie today
Titus town- If Hectic replaced out there as scum, I'd be livid.
PineARB town mechanically - teach and alchemist probably not on same team
NK is town. wouldn't have defended mastina

Could be Convinced

creature
ali

Lynch Pile

pb
tse

It's time to take another look at Ginnie/TSE

Compromising to this I'd be ok with TSE, Ali, and I might be able to be convinced of PB since my main point was that he barded ame not a partner but I overlooked that he didn't have a partner anymore. I'm not lynching creature

[Titus]

I can't compromise on PB or TSE. I have my three that I am strongly preferring (Ali, ABR, NK15, not in order). If it's anyone else, I'll hammer at deadline and not be happy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I will lynch NK or Creature.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Alisae seems pretty town I believe him that he would give up as scum lol

[Raya36]

I can't compromise on PB or TSE. I have my three that I am strongly preferring (Ali, ABR, NK15, not in order). If it's anyone else, I'll hammer at deadline and not be happy.

NK is definitely my preferred

[Raya36]

We only have a day and 9h left

[Titus]

Let's do NK then. If NK flips town, we all reset with a preference towards Ame's reads. NK can't be let anywhere near lylo even if we're wrong.

[Raya36]

Do you guys think NK would be this defensive of his partner so early:

Being mechanically minded and the fact that she was so involved in the previous game, it is unlikely that she forgot that training can't take place at the same time as an action. If it were someone who wasn't much into mechanics, this would be a reasonable excuse as they may have genuinely just not paid attention the previous game. Mastina is a master mind, however, and very cognizant of the mechanical details.

There were changes, however. The mafia kill was not listed as a bonus action, publicly, at the start of the game.

Yes, but the rule was the same. We just have added clarification here.

From XP1:

This takes the place of another action and cannot be used alongside

any action

.

Additionally, Mastina was a part of the scum team so was aware even if the public wasn't. And the post I quoted from before indicates that she was:

And why no kill N4?

There's no explanation for this except for scum training. It's the only possibility, because there's no method by which a kill could have been stopped.

I didn't stop it with my roleblock, Assembler was dead, so there was no longer any obstacles for a kill. It had to be training. N3 does not have to be.

That was more than two years ago... Do you remember all things from two years ago? I see the possibility of it being faked but it isn`t big enough to be scum indicative.

Is this the main case against NK being scum? Because I really wouldn't weigh in too much to associations early game. I wouldn't put it past scum to defend their partner a little bit and especially when there isn't a lynch and the small defense could easily be forgotten later when there is one.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The case against NK is called consensus.

[Not Known 15]

NK can't be let anywhere near lylo even if we're wrong.

You forgot that I am a VT who hasn`t upgraded, yet. Even if you don`t want to leave me alive at LYLO why don`t you want to wait one day?

[Raya36]

Let's do NK then. If NK flips town, we all reset with a preference towards Ame's reads. NK can't be let anywhere near lylo even if we're wrong.

I agree. If we don't lynch NK now we would have to tomorrow anyway

[Raya36]

The case against NK is called consensus.

What do you mean by this

[Albert B. Rampage]

There is no case we are just lynching whoever we can with 10 different opinions

[Raya36]

NK can't be let anywhere near lylo even if we're wrong.

You forgot that I am a VT who hasn`t upgraded, yet. Even if you don`t want to leave me alive at LYLO why don`t you want to wait one day?

Who should we lynch then?

[Raya36]

There is no case we are just lynching whoever we can with 10 different opinions

Oh ok, I meant that the post I quoted was the case against them being scum. Not the case for them being scum. I'm looking for why they can't be scum.

[Not Known 15]

@NK

1. Why did you not state you forgot to train earlier?
2. How did you forget to train?
3. If you are low on XP why are you not voting for Pokerus?
4.

Why are you ignoring that SpringRaven has been spewed town by kerset

5. Where do you believe Raya was acting defensively and based on the examples you give, how do you think she should have reacted to them?
6. What is your read on GinnieSoulEnergy and MomoSae?

Also if you're low on XP why didn't you ask me for XP when I offered at the start of the day?

I don`t need you to give me xp next night. I can train. Then I have 4xp and can upgrade.

@NK15: if you are actually town here, how are you ignoring all of my posting that points to you being dead wrong on my slot? spring was obviously scummy town. I’ve already explained why the involuntary bus theory coming from scum!Farkran of all people makes no sense and spring was very clearly not down with being captured. She was desperate to become Quest leader, so how are you not seeing any of this?

There is one problem with your arguments. Mastina was scum Day 1. Someone who is known to have done crossbussing, and who easily could have mentored your two slots. The asking for quest leader was waaay over the top antitown and based on something that has been disproven. The exchange that led towards it being disproven is also scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There is one problem with your arguments. Mastina was scum Day 1. Someone who is known to have done crossbussing, and who easily could have mentored your two slots. The asking for quest leader was waaay over the top antitown and based on something that has been disproven. The exchange that led towards it being disproven is also scummy.

Yeah, this is true. I'll vote Raven too today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Creature/Raven/NK15 is my pool.

[Raya36]

I won't do creature and I won't do Raven

[Ame]

NK if you were scum, how would you have approached this game differently?

[Not Known 15]

NK if you were scum, how would you have approached this game differently?

I don`t know.

[Raya36]

NK can't be let anywhere near lylo even if we're wrong.

You forgot that I am a VT who hasn`t upgraded, yet. Even if you don`t want to leave me alive at LYLO why don`t you want to wait one day?

Who should we lynch then?