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[April Ludgate]

Wow Krazy mod confirming my claim there cool stuff

Pretty much yeah. Sloppy modding on his part to be honest but hey! Free conftown, I'll take it!

If jjh dies tonight then you can pretty much insta-lynch any protective PR claim because there's zero reason not to protect him.

@Dunn - This just looks like Scum TMI, tbh.

It feels like Mastina is using JJH.

[Dunnstral]

I can still convince myself Mastina is scum here based on circumstantial game stuff, but I still feel like her posting is town.

I mean it's pretty damn obvious I'm not the one calling the shots on the scumteam.

[farside22]

I can still convince myself Mastina is scum here based on circumstantial game stuff, but I still feel like her posting is town.

I mean it's pretty damn obvious I'm not the one calling the shots on the scumteam.

Wow Krazy mod confirming my claim there cool stuff

Pretty much yeah. Sloppy modding on his part to be honest but hey! Free conftown, I'll take it!

If jjh dies tonight then you can pretty much insta-lynch any protective PR claim because there's zero reason not to protect him.

@Dunn - This just looks like Scum TMI, tbh.

It feels like Mastina is using JJH.

I want to blame you for making me think of those 2 as possible scum together. I should say I thought about your comment from earlier about them as scum together. Mastina saying she finds jjh town just because his request from the mod was confirmed really shouldn't be the icing on the cake for Mastina to declare a player town. I wondered if it was an act so that jjh looks town based on interactions.
Then I thought why would jjh bus his scum buddy now when he wouldn't do it day 1.
Well then he just hoped off as easily and voted chemist whom I don't recall him saying anything about.
Now I realize I'm making my head spin trying to see connections I should know by now mean nothing and look at each individually.

So in regards to Mastina she hasn't done he scum to town list I've noticed this game. Her vote on April looks to be for saving votato day 1 and allowing the ability to be used.
I so would love to believe that........like I feel my heart so yes please let that be scum helping their scum buddy and not an ego inflated player that wanted to show off they could use their ability to find scum.
If you saw that I was grinding my teeth you would know which way I was leaning on April.
Mastina continues to defend jjh for pretty weak reason and I don't see anything town coming from her after my review.
Usually as town she pushes her scum reads more and I find it fascinating that jjh seems to ignore mastina for most of the game. She also is trying to soft claim a role that I'm about ooooooo90% fake at this point given the following flips this far: crazy/EB bodyguard lovers and C&H human doc

vote; mastina

[Birds and the Boys]

Dunnstral, I am confused about your comparison of Mastina's masturbation role in Ginngie's game to JJH's role in this game. I don't see in JJH's iso where he claims that the dinosaur lists are something that trigger a win?

VOTE: JJH

- turducken

[HoldenGolden]

I'm leading the goat people to a glorious new home. Until I done, I'm gonna be a bit busy and wont be on till tonight probably.

I also got the one shot janitor information as well.

Additionally scanning the thread I notice people talking about scums ability to change nk flavor? Votato Gore seems to be for his vig ability. We have had two people get drowned back to back which means we have an aquatic vig which was able to shoot twice or it's actually the mafia KP. Trying to work my head around if Bingle shot flavor kill could come from a vig

[PenguinPower]

Votato Gore seems to be for his vig ability.

It specifically says it applies to the factional kill.

[Conspire]

V/LA until Wednesday

[Birds and the Boys]

Can we lynch jjh?

-bitmap

[Birds and the Boys]

Whoever shoots April gets free town cred.

We're also not lynching mastina today.

-bitmap

[mastina]

And I wasn't scum that game, not really--I was explicitly playing to a third party win condition, and the role was entirely revolving around said third party wincon. Not a lick of scum in that. Purely 3p there.

That's still not town

You're moving goalposts here.

Your initial point: "You as scum had a role similar to what jjh's role is, therefore you should know that role does not make him town".
I pointed out that the role in question was in fact, third party and heavily designed to be third party.
Third party roles are not scum roles.
Third party roles are, in design, much closer to town roles than they are scum roles.

Now you're trying to say "you as 3p had a role similar to what jjh's role is, therefore you should know that role does not make him town".
But again.
Third party roles are much much much closer in design to town roles than they are to scum.

So, jjh is not scum. He would be either "3p or town", and given the lack of any evidence of a third party, the answer is just 'town'.

[mastina]

Mastina saying she finds jjh town just because his request from the mod was confirmed really shouldn't be the icing on the cake for Mastina to declare a player town.

Except it was exactly that.

It's not like jjh was a total dead null to me and having his role be mod-confirmed magically moved him to locktown.

He was already a locktown read; having his role be mod-confirmed was just the final nail in the coffin to solidify it beyond any shadow of a doubt (when there was already none to be had). Which if you use a different metaphor other than 'final nail in the coffin', yes, would be 'the icing on the cake'. The final topping on top of an already-solid base.

Her vote on April looks to be for saving votato day 1 and allowing the ability to be used.

Oh?

Farside, let me ask you.
Where was I voting D1?

Where was I voting

all

of D1 pretty much?

Was it April as you are saying here, to 'protect' votato?

...No?

...Okay, so I wasn't voting April; who

was

I voting?

...I'll let you get back to me on that.

She also is trying to soft claim a role that I'm about ooooooo90% fake at this point given the following flips this far: crazy/EB bodyguard lovers and C&H human doc

I don't fakeclaim roles and it should be painfully transparent what my role is considering that, yes, I have softed it from the very beginning of D1.

[mastina]

Spoiler: votato interactions D1

first! VOTE: blatant scum for obvious reasons

Scum.

Clover Ebi + votato + HoldenGolden + Creature

Not a bad guess, to be honest.

Guys quick L-1, again!

Sure, why not?
VOTE: votato

fine. I'm a town night 1-3 combined janitor-doctor watcher.

uh not exactly sure. From what I gather on the wiki, the janitor would be a scum role. From that plus my role PM I guess my role has something to do with being anti-janitor? I'm not exactly sure how it would work. sorry. i think the watcher ability only activates if im successful, if that helps.

i think being useless is probably correlated with being scum. You all seem to know BS much better than I, and if hes a really good player, then theres probably a method somewhere in the apparent madness. I guess this sort of confusion is why I want to wait before jumping to any conclusions about anyone. ironically, this uncertainty makes me a bit useless, so i guess im confirmed scum.

Yeah I don't see what you do in this claim. I'm pretty sure it's bullshit given my own role, so.
VOTE: Votato

Mastina added to scum list.

For what? Not believing a claim that's obviously bullshit?

It's not bullshit. How and why does anyone come up with this as a claim if they didn't get it as their role PM?

Because it's a Krazy game. That's how and why.

Krazy's safeclaims are woefully inadequate for a scumteam and encourage bullshit and this reeks of being precisely that sort of bullshit, the bullshit of someone who doesn't have a real safeclaim so improvised one from scratch.

Krazy's provided fakeclaim? Although why would Krazy give a fakeclaim that's inconsistent with someone else's town role, hm.
-Calvin

Too ridiculous to be a mod-provided fakeclaim. Krazy does give non-safe fakeclaims, but not maliciously

There are mod-provided sample fakeclaims for at least some of the scum but whether they are "safeclaims" is open to debate. I encourage scum to hand-craft their own fakeclaims using the mod-provided fakeclaims as a starting point. The mod-provided fake-claims should prevent the game from being broken by a day-1 massclaim, beyond that I do not make strong promises on the utility of the mod-provided fakeclaims.

^PP gets it, pretty much. This is precisely what I am referring to.

why should we put weight in you saying you're mod confirmable without you actually being mod confirmed?

Oh yeah here's one scum on the doubters train.

@Votato - Target Mistanna, I’ll do so as well.

If I die and am janitored then take it as both April and votato being scum btw.

Yup, those sure were trying to save votato! I sure was defending him, trying to avert his lynch! I clearly went out of my way to try and keep him alive.

[jjh927]

Tbh scum! Mastina could have just taken a free pass to locktown Votato with.

My lie detector on role claims is sufficiently accurate that people could be BOPing me here for being wrong on Votato and I would have no right to be mad about it

[April Ludgate]

Whoever shoots April gets free town cred.

We're also not lynching mastina today.

-bitmap

I’m like borderline confirmed town

[April Ludgate]

Tbh scum! Mastina could have just taken a free pass to locktown Votato with.

My lie detector on role claims is sufficiently accurate that people could be BOPing me here for being wrong on Votato and I would have no right to be mad about it

@Jjh - Votato goes rogue and doesn’t listen to partner Mastina in regards to playstyle or claiming, how would ScumMastina act about that?

[April Ludgate]

I’m obnoxious and beautiful, but I’m not scum. And Mastina’s lack of any other reads besides strong town on JJH and Scum pushing me is a scum positioning tool.

[April Ludgate]

Birds/Mastina have some scum partner equity.

@Farside - I keep going back and forth between Birds and where to put them, but the timing of the Jjh vote mixed in with the comment about me is incredibly scum advantageous based on you voted Mastina, then a Jjh vote, who is essentially the leading wagon comes, followed by a comment on shooting me, the person pushing Mastina the most.

Jjh is likely town being pocket attempted by Mastina.

[jjh927]

Tbh scum! Mastina could have just taken a free pass to locktown Votato with.

My lie detector on role claims is sufficiently accurate that people could be BOPing me here for being wrong on Votato and I would have no right to be mad about it

@Jjh - Votato goes rogue and doesn’t listen to partner Mastina in regards to playstyle or claiming, how would ScumMastina act about that?

She wouldn't bus a scum vig day 1

[Clover Ebi]

This day feels really weird for me. I just don't see myself agreeing with a lot of things said.

[Dunnstral]

Votato Gore seems to be for his vig ability.

No... his vig ability should count as getting shot

His factional kill is the one with the flavor for gored

[Dunnstral]

This day feels really weird for me. I just don't see myself agreeing with a lot of things said.

Well that's because you're wrong

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral, I am confused about your comparison of Mastina's masturbation role in Ginngie's game to JJH's role in this game. I don't see in JJH's iso where he claims that the dinosaur lists are something that trigger a win?

VOTE: JJH

- turducken

The roles aren't an exact match but I think it's similar enough to where saying jjh's role is always town and he needs protection is... bad

And I wasn't scum that game, not really--I was explicitly playing to a third party win condition, and the role was entirely revolving around said third party wincon. Not a lick of scum in that. Purely 3p there.

That's still not town

You're moving goalposts here.

Your initial point: "You as scum had a role similar to what jjh's role is, therefore you should know that role does not make him town".
I pointed out that the role in question was in fact, third party and heavily designed to be third party.
Third party roles are not scum roles.
Third party roles are, in design, much closer to town roles than they are scum roles.

Third party is not town.

[Clover Ebi]

Why don't you show me where and why I'm wrong then?

[Dunnstral]

Also you literally had a factional kill that game, and there was somebody else on your team, and your team started out as the same size as the mafia team

You weren't a third party, regardless of how you played your role. And how YOU played your role doesn't matter for what YOU think jjh's dino list role here is. Calling it town because you rolled a similar role as scum but actually you played it as a third party still doesn't make sense, you're arguing things that don't matter

Why don't you show me where and why I'm wrong then?

You're going to need to be more specific than "I just don't see myself agreeing with a lot of things said."

[Clover Ebi]

So you were just making the comment "because you're wrong" to be rude then?