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Vote Count 1.6

ready2rock

(3): NoPowerOverMe, VP Baltar, mavsfan41

votato

(3): CantLynchAPuppy, iDanyboy, Nauci

VP Baltar

(2): votato, ready2rock

NoPowerOverMe

(2): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick

Nauci

(1): Gammagooey

Quick

(1): Blair

Not Voting

(1): Peter Pan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)

[ready2rock]

When did I do that? In either game? Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "too early to participate"

[ready2rock]

Newbie 1981 was my previous game @Quick and anyone else who was looking for it

[Quick]

I like my vote atm.

[VP Baltar]

@VP: I can see your case on R2R. You also strongly suggest R2R/Votato scum pairing. After I initially voted you, BOTH jumped on immediately. You think a scum pairing would be that blatant? Seems like an obvious grouping scum would avoid. I’ll agree with you R2R read (not entirely sold on him) but I doubt him and votato are BOTH scum together. I could see them as a scum pairing setting up a counter wagon and know why votato would be more eager as the wagon was on him, but he had chances to move off Atarashi and didn’t and also his vote on you was only the second which could hardly be seen as wagon jumping.

Also, Atarashi did something similar where he messed up a vote count too. I think Atarashi’s vote count mishaps was NAI if anything.

Not sure if you’re making a mountain of a molehill here, but I’m willing to see where this goes.

VOTE: ready2rock

We can flip a scum and see what we think.

I do have to say to the bigger point I've seen this game of people arguing scum are super tricky ...not necessarily. Roles are a random draw and sometimes you get lucky that players who aren't adept as scum draw those roles.

The problem with flipping R2R so early is that we have very little to work with for the rest of the game. Is R2R actually Scum? Which means at least one of my SRs was correct.

Keep in mind R2R pushed me on my reasoning earlier before this wagon happened, thanks.

This would be a legit reason to not at this point, but we should ramp up pressure and make people talk about it.

So your case on me revolves around me misreading the vote count? That's pretty flimsy, which to me strengthens my case that you latch onto minor flimsy mistakes that people make.

Here's my timeline, I reread the thread and posted my thoughts on the game as a whole at that moment, voicing my suspicion of VP among other things. In that time, there were almost 10 new posts made, including both votes on VP. Since I wanted to get my post out there before even more happened, and I hadn't payed a ton of attention to a specific number of votes in the meantime, I wanted to go back and double check that I wasn't putting you at L-1 or anything. When I went back and read, I realized that I had read a vote on you and someone else quoting a vote on you as 2 votes, hence why I was saying that I was the 2nd vote. But now that I'm rereading again today, I realize I was right the first time and didn't see votato's vote in double checking

I don't understand what the difference would be between me being 2nd or 3rd on the wagon?

Also, is me being scum dependent on votato being scum, or the other way around? If one is town, is the other still scum?

Your reasoning doesn't make sense. How can you think there are two votes on me but that there might also be a legit chance your vote would put me at L-1? I really don't follow the logic on the reason you said 1 vote either.

3rd or 4th spot on a wagon is where scum turn up lots of time. Too timid to start something, too afraid of questioning for pushing a mislynch to completion.

As far as you and votato, I think odds on you could both be scum. You might not be with him, but the speed of my wagon certainly seemed like there was incentive to counter the work I had put in on votato.

[NoPowerOverMe]

When did I do that? In either game? Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "too early to participate"

My read on GL is neutral right now. I think the way he's playing the game is good, but that makes it more difficult for me to be able to read him one way or the other. Need to look at him in iso at some point once there's more to go on.

GL had had 5 posts out of 100 or so already and 9000 total so it seems to me he had more than enough content to have an opinion on and, as you are now, you were looking for an excuse to lurk.

Also, based on your use of terms like "hammer", "RVS", "wagon", and "mylo" it seems that you have played mafia in other forums before and are trying to feign ignorance.

[ready2rock]

Reason was I saw 2 votes in Pedit, and was worried that there were other votes that might've happened pages ago that I missed in my initial readthrough. I wasn't worried if I missed 1 or 2 votes 5 pages ago, but with 2 votes added that quickly, I wanted to triple check that I hadn't somehow missed a bunch of votes.

Believe me or don't, but those 2 votes on you didn't exist when I was drafting up my initial post

If people want to say they've caught me in a mistake they're right, but what's the scummy intention here? To manipulate people into taking pressure off votato? But you seem to think I'm scum regardless of votato's alignment. To make it seem like I'm not a certain place on the wagon and manipulate what people think the vote count was? So you think I saw that I was 3rd on the wagon, held off on voting to double check, confirmed that, then decided to do it anyway and lie about it to avoid looking scummy about it? Wouldn't scum just not put down the vote if you think I cared so much about not being 3rd?

[ready2rock]

When did I do that? In either game? Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "too early to participate"

My read on GL is neutral right now. I think the way he's playing the game is good, but that makes it more difficult for me to be able to read him one way or the other. Need to look at him in iso at some point once there's more to go on.

GL had had 5 posts out of 100 or so already and 9000 total so it seems to me he had more than enough content to have an opinion on and, as you are now, you were looking for an excuse to lurk.

Also, based on your use of terms like "hammer", "RVS", "wagon", and "mylo" it seems that you have played mafia in other forums before and are trying to feign ignorance.

So what are you comparing that post to in this game? The point I was saying there is about being careful with saying that agreeing with someone's points = town, which doesn't have to do with inactivity or "being too early"

I've said my mafia experience in my first post of this game. I've played one game in the past 5 years and it's that one. Played a fair amount a long time ago and that's how I'm familiar with the terms

[NoPowerOverMe]

When did I do that? In either game? Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "too early to participate"

My read on GL is neutral right now. I think the way he's playing the game is good, but that makes it more difficult for me to be able to read him one way or the other. Need to look at him in iso at some point once there's more to go on.

GL had had 5 posts out of 100 or so already and 9000 total so it seems to me he had more than enough content to have an opinion on and, as you are now, you were looking for an excuse to lurk.

Also, based on your use of terms like "hammer", "RVS", "wagon", and "mylo" it seems that you have played mafia in other forums before and are trying to feign ignorance.

So what are you comparing that post to in this game? The point I was saying there is about being careful with saying that agreeing with someone's points = town, which doesn't have to do with inactivity or "being too early"

I've said my mafia experience in my first post of this game. I've played one game in the past 5 years and it's that one. Played a fair amount a long time ago and that's how I'm familiar with the terms

From Newbie Game:

That's fair, mostly yessiree seemed to take my "reads" in RVS a bit seriously, so I wanted to make it clear that it was a bit, speaking of which

UNVOTE:

Gonna need to look through again tomorrow to get some better reads when I'm less tired

It seems like your MO is to try to skirt through day 1 unnoticed, and when you are noticed you cry foul.

It sucks that you drew scum on your first two games but it's great for town I'm sure you understand.

[Quick]

When did I do that? In either game? Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "too early to participate"

My read on GL is neutral right now. I think the way he's playing the game is good, but that makes it more difficult for me to be able to read him one way or the other. Need to look at him in iso at some point once there's more to go on.

GL had had 5 posts out of 100 or so already and 9000 total so it seems to me he had more than enough content to have an opinion on and, as you are now, you were looking for an excuse to lurk.

Also, based on your use of terms like "hammer", "RVS", "wagon", and "mylo" it seems that you have played mafia in other forums before and are trying to feign ignorance.

So what are you comparing that post to in this game? The point I was saying there is about being careful with saying that agreeing with someone's points = town, which doesn't have to do with inactivity or "being too early"

I've said my mafia experience in my first post of this game. I've played one game in the past 5 years and it's that one. Played a fair amount a long time ago and that's how I'm familiar with the terms

From Newbie Game:

That's fair, mostly yessiree seemed to take my "reads" in RVS a bit seriously, so I wanted to make it clear that it was a bit, speaking of which

UNVOTE:

Gonna need to look through again tomorrow to get some better reads when I'm less tired

It seems like your MO is to try to skirt through day 1 unnoticed, and when you are noticed you cry foul.

It sucks that you drew scum on your first two games but it's great for town I'm sure you understand.

Oh, my. You are really quite confident they are Scum, aren't you?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Pretty confident. They are playing just like they did in the newbie game when they were scum. So unless you just want to discard meta for no reason...

[Quick]

Pretty confident. They are playing just like they did in the newbie game when they were scum. So unless you just want to discard meta for no reason...

Oh, except that "key reason" isn't there, which is EXACTLY what you were trying to infer. That shit is SO SvS.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Also this from the scum forum. R2R is aware of lurking as a scum strategy.

others (PC, Naerys) have been suspicious of me from the start. Whereas you've kind of blended into the background as the day went on

[ready2rock]

So you think my strategy to fly under the radar was to try some gambit with the vote count?

My inactivity at the start of this game it’s just that I didn’t know that it started until it was already in page 9, and needed to play catch-up. Again, you can believe that or not

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't.

[Blair]

When did I do that? In either game? Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "too early to participate"

My read on GL is neutral right now. I think the way he's playing the game is good, but that makes it more difficult for me to be able to read him one way or the other. Need to look at him in iso at some point once there's more to go on.

The lying argument is fine, but this meta argument is terribad.

Here's something I found in one of his town games:

Day 1 is always bad for me. I usually cannot get a solid read on anyone because most cases are based on 1 thing that someone did. Therefore, I'm never confident in my reads and use a lot of FoS's instead of votes day 1 and overall don't come off as confident.

Surely you knew you could not make the argument "He did X in a scum game and he did X in this game" without also providing evidence that "he does not do X in town games"?

Turns out, he does.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I didn't see that post. It sounds like a town lurker looking for an excuse to lurk so when he is scum he has town lurking meta.

[ready2rock]

Ah yes, all part of my master plan from 10 years ago to be able to lurk in this game

Not going to entertain this point any further

[Blair]

I didn't see that post. It sounds like a town lurker looking for an excuse to lurk so when he is scum he has town lurking meta.

Oh come ON...

[NoPowerOverMe]

So you think R2R is town?

[Blair]

No, I think R2R lied about the vote count for some unknowable reason. I pretty plainly said I'd be okay with lynching him today if I can't have Quick.

But your meta argument is terrible.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I may not have expressed myself clearly but the simple fact is he knows scum lurking as a strategy and has employed it. Lurking as town is at the least anti-town.

[Blair]

Then just say "Lynch All Lurkers" and be done with it, because literally everyone is "aware" of the lurking "strategy." It's intuitive. It's human nature. "Can't get caught in a lie if I don't say anything." (See sig.)

There are lurkier lurkers than him, though. You've latched into this one for some reason.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The other lurkers don't have as strong of tells in the posts they do have.

[VP Baltar]

He sure is active now.

More votes please.