The way I understand it, Wake and I are mech town.
That makes the lynch pool {MT, Clidd, Profii, Bob, Adorable}. MT I think is town based on meta. Nobody seems to think you are scum. If I'm right on MT, and everyone else is right on you, then mafia is in {Profii, Bob, Adorable} and with 1 mislynch remaining we cannot lose.
I don't see that at all.
Neither of us are confirmed and the more you argue for that point the more I want to break your neck.
Wake, why would you be hesitant to be treated as clear ? From the Town!Wake mentality, the more credibility and confidence you get in your role the better your chances of winning, because you are aware that you're TPR. I only see this questioning occurring if you have an intense scumread on Luciano, or if you are remembering some past negative experience similar to the current situation, which provoked the rejection of arguments involving conftown by mechanical ways.
The way I understand it, Wake and I are mech town.
That makes the lynch pool {MT, Clidd, Profii, Bob, Adorable}. MT I think is town based on meta. Nobody seems to think you are scum. If I'm right on MT, and everyone else is right on you, then mafia is in {Profii, Bob, Adorable} and with 1 mislynch remaining we cannot lose.
I don't see that at all.
Neither of us are confirmed and the more you argue for that point the more I want to break your neck.
Wake, why would you be hesitant to be treated as clear ? From the Town!Wake mentality, the more credibility and confidence you get in your role the better your chances of winning, because you are aware that you're TPR. I only see this questioning occurring if you have an intense scumread on Luciano, or if you are remembering some past negative experience similar to the current situation, which provoked the rejection of arguments involving conftown by mechanical ways.
Hesitation about being treated as clear?
Because mechanically I'm not, and as Town truth is far more important than having some false reassurance that players think you're clear due to game mechanics. My PR doesn't clear me (only instances like IC, etc); only Scum would jump at the chance of using mechanics to assume being clear.
The way I understand it, Wake and I are mech town.
That makes the lynch pool {MT, Clidd, Profii, Bob, Adorable}. MT I think is town based on meta. Nobody seems to think you are scum. If I'm right on MT, and everyone else is right on you, then mafia is in {Profii, Bob, Adorable} and with 1 mislynch remaining we cannot lose.
I don't see that at all.
Neither of us are confirmed and the more you argue for that point the more I want to break your neck.
Wake, why would you be hesitant to be treated as clear ? From the Town!Wake mentality, the more credibility and confidence you get in your role the better your chances of winning, because you are aware that you're TPR. I only see this questioning occurring if you have an intense scumread on Luciano, or if you are remembering some past negative experience similar to the current situation, which provoked the rejection of arguments involving conftown by mechanical ways.
Hesitation about being treated as clear?
Because mechanically I'm not, and as Town truth is far more important than having some false reassurance that players think you're clear due to game mechanics. My PR doesn't clear me (only instances like IC, etc); only Scum would jump at the chance of using mechanics to assume being clear.
the jailkeeper in this game is acting similar to strongman.
The difference being that it can be used either on babysitter or watcher.
Its one shot and informed. The one shot would tell any player that it has very specific use. the informed only scum woudl know. But the designers through there must be somethign scum needed to be informed of.
rolecop, watcher and neighbourizer. Never would we see informed.
Thus scum cant waste it.
if watcher and babysitter are outed they can act. We got lucky that the scum we lynched day one was the jailkeeper. It hemmed them in
In post 1722, Adorable wrote:bob is unwilling to listen to anything i say. He let's his own setup spec confirm bias him into thinking i must be scum. He gives me several repetitive questions, I do my best to try and answer them (they're a mess), but it's never good enough for him and some of his posts have been really hurting my feelings calling me names.
How dare you say ive been calling you names :-p ive only ever called you adora. I might have said you play is bad but well it is. Far to bad to be town.
You simply dont answer them. You say you do but you dont. I keep reapeatig the ones you simply refuse to touch. Why dont you simply answer each question mark in different posts. Then if you want to prove to me you have answered. As stands all you have been doing is answering one question and ingnoring the rest. And some you have dones this 4 times
Also you say ou think im scum while havign a vote on me. But here you are tlakign to me as though you know i am town. You say confirmation bias which is something that can only happen to town. You here in this post are defecto saying i am town.
Which is it i am confrmation biased towards you which means you are defecto saying i must be town or am i scum?
I don't like Lucky's insistence on the jailkeeper point. Especially when we're not really trying to be overly concerned with mechanics. Except bob, who is speaking purely in mechanics
If we flip Lucky and he's red, we'll win. His partner is likely bob, or maybe profii I guess. We get two lynches in the event it isn't bob, but i think we'd just win after lynching bob
If we flip Lucky and he's green, and I assume Wake is green, then scum is in the VTs minus clidd: bob/adorb/profii. I don't
think
there's any way Wake is scum this game, same with clidd. With 2 scum in VTs, Bob vs. Adorable is way more likely TvS instead of theater. Therefore, if the team is just VTs, it's {bob/Adorable} + {profii}.
We have two lynches, so the only way this lynch strategy fails is if my Wake or clidd reads are wrong. Is there anyone who still thinks either of them could be scum?
If the scum team really is in the remaining vt claims, then wouldn't it make more sense to lynch profii first and then figure out next day between bob and me who is profii's scum buddy next day? Why is bob not interacting with profii and why is profii not saying anything?
If profii flips red, i'd lynch you next. Mayyybe bob, but his behaviour regarding the VTs makes me lean not him in that scenario. Either way, it's a win since we get multiple lynches
If profii flips green, then that would confirm Lucky/bob in my mind. there might be a fringe case for Lucky/adorable, but i think Lucky's partner should be bob based on today's behaviour from the two of them.
So are you willing to vote profii, Adorable? Same goes for bob. If we had to lynch profii right now, would you
In post 1731, Morning Tweet wrote:I don't like Lucky's insistence on the jailkeeper point. Especially when we're not really trying to be overly concerned with mechanics. Except bob, who is speaking purely in mechanics
If we flip Lucky and he's red, we'll win. His partner is likely bob, or maybe profii I guess. We get two lynches in the event it isn't bob, but i think we'd just win after lynching bob
If we flip Lucky and he's green, and I assume Wake is green, then scum is in the VTs minus clidd: bob/adorb/profii. I don't
think
there's any way Wake is scum this game, same with clidd. With 2 scum in VTs, Bob vs. Adorable is way more likely TvS instead of theater. Therefore, if the team is just VTs, it's {bob/Adorable} + {profii}.
We have two lynches, so the only way this lynch strategy fails is if my Wake or clidd reads are wrong. Is there anyone who still thinks either of them could be scum?
I have been narrowing down the scum team suspects looking at player interactions.
bob/Lucky - bob votes dave on day 1 for gut feeling and never went back to his suspicion on dave. Was this some distancing?
bob/profii - No real serious 1vs1 interactions from them.
bob/MT - No real serious 1vs1 interactions from them.
profii/Lucky - profii voted dave on day 2 saying he has a theory which he hasn't fully fleshed out but this was never explained and then later he switches his vote to Aaron. Still not sure if that makes them likely not scum buddies.
profii/MT - No real serious 1vs1 interactions from them.
On day 1 Wake called out tictac saying that was tictac's scum meta and voted them being the fourth voter on the early wagon and I don't think scum would say this about their scum buddy like that. SirCakez being a town Neighborizer Enabler still has me wondering about MT's role since I have seen a couple of Neighbozer scums before and with an Enabler removing the pr ability normally one of them is town and the other is scum. From what I have seen before, Enabler was always scum and the pr that loses its ability was town. Aloratom was a counter wagon to Chemist on day 1 which makes me think he is town.
Yeah, there's no way bob/ador is tvt and I don't read it as scum theatre either. Since clidd and tweet seem to be locktowns, that leaves the remaining scum in wake/LL. From gut, I honestly can't discern between bob and ador, but I think LL is scum over wake.
In post 1744, midwaybear wrote:Yeah, there's no way bob/ador is tvt and I don't read it as scum theatre either. Since clidd and tweet seem to be locktowns, that leaves the remaining scum in wake/LL. From gut, I honestly can't discern between bob and ador, but I think LL is scum over wake.
i notice you came to pretty much the same conclusions as your predecessor. I think your assessment of Bob/Adorb being TvS is correct. If Lucky is scum, bob is the most likely partner based on his voting pattern. Today Bob has come out not wanting to vote for a PR, but instead inside the VTs (profii/Adorbs).
however, if Lucky isn't scum, which is what i was leaning going into today, then the scumteam is profii-midway + {Bob/Adorable}.
Spoiler: reads
Wake
clidd
possible teams //
Lucky/Bob
profii/Bob
profii/Adorable
less likely options //
Lucky/Adorable
Lucky/profii
extremely unlikely //
Bob/Adorable
Dave's emotional outburst before repping out really make me townlean hard on him. But Lucky's insistence on the jailkeeper point doesn't sit great with me. But then again, Lucky's apathetic behaviour towards the end of D3 made sense for a town slot who thought they were going to die. And the jailkeeper thing I can still feasibly still see town bringing up. Overall I lean town still
Both Bob and Adorable have stated they're willing to vote profii-midway. I would prefer if they voted profii-midway over each other. If I'm right about Lucky, clidd, and Wake, then profii-midway has to be scum.
VOTE: midway
Unless I can convince myself of Lucky!scum, midway-profii has a much greater chance of flipping red.
@Wake
What do you think of dave's actions right before he replaced out? How he handled the claim basically
In my experience playing this game I have seen Scum replace out in a fit.
I don't know.
If that slot was Scum and did that to help their team that'd be really shitty, and maybe a new rule should be made to prevent that. I feel like replacing out in some games can be done tactically to manipulate the game: I don't like it one bit.
