Micro 940: A Normal Blitz II - Game Over

[Hoctac]

Why do you think Madoka "townslipped" for her catchup, George? Are you townreading her for the effort alone (it's NAI), or do you like her takes?

[Hoctac]

UNVOTE: GeorgeBailey

No, shiki, it's in the same view as the murder mystery conspiracy. Never mind if you don't get it.

[Hoctac]

*the same vien

[Datisi]

why did you unvote him? and did you really meta him or was that a jokr going over my head?

[Hoctac]

Nah, I did meta him.

I don't want a hammer.

[Hoctac]

VOTE: Madoka

[Madoka]

Up to Page 10

Spoiler: LIT

125 hu: town, objective
126 nai
127 nai
134 nai
138 nai
140 hu: super town -- I am actually going to stop including HEM's posts since he's locked.
141 cont.
142 sh: her analysis seems to be particularly on point this game -- sharp or dark? If anyone can think of a better opposite to "dumb or scum" that rhymes please help
144 ho: ngl why is he continuing this after Hoctac hard claimed?
146 ge: this doesn't make sense, why null rather than datisi? What is town about datisi?
148 nai
152 Ho: why are you still questioning him?
153 nai townish
167 da: this response is disproportional to the accusation. Coming across it a second time, I dont think this is town. I also don't care for the shiki vote. holden is the scummiest up to this point.
170 da: good response
174 sh: the idea that i asked umlaut to vote doesnt seem like the though scum!Shiki would have
145 da: good response
178 nai
179 nai
183 nai
184 nai
185 ge: townie thought, very townie
186 nai
187 ho: what is the purpose of this
188 ho: ok this is pretty townie looks ignorant
189 nai
190 ho: i think it is bad that holden is focusing so much on this. I know he tends to get caught up on stuff though so im not sure what to make of it
191 nai
192 nai
193 ho: the answer is pretty straight forward
195 nai
197 nai
199 ho: slightly town indicative
206 ho: good good
207 nai
208 nai
211 nai
212 nai
213 and dont know what hes saying
215 nai
218 ho: good eval
219 nai
220 nai but good
225 ho: intersting
226 nai
235 ge: entering tmi territory
236 nai
236 ge: good tone
242 da:good tone
243 sh: i like the hg read
244 ge: so tmi-y
245 nai

♡ I still read Datisi's reaction as coming from self-conscious scum. Some of his responses afterward had a towny tone, however, I do not think they are enough to override the read. Still, this read is not that strong.

♡ Holden's treatment of the masons was strange. He focused on it way too long and he questioned umlaut way too long. It did not produce anything fruitful. I really cannot wrap my head around why he discussed the Madoka vote thing with him so long. I think there is a good chance Holden is scum.

♡ Shiki has made solid post after solid post. Her reasoning is consistent and her points do not come off to me as having come from scum. In particular, her paranoia that I asked umlaut to vote her and her read on Holden.

♡ Hiraki's post up to this point have also left a slight town impression on me. They looked worse when I was skimming, but his points are not bad.

♡ George has made some really innocent seeming posts, but he also seems to be making a lot of posts that read as TMI. In particular, his read of shiki and his read of Holden. He made a post saying that he thinks the reason holden is playing differently here is because of the pace. I think this is a strange opinion to have considering the last game they played together was also a blitz game... I think George is currently my strongest suspect.

[Madoka]

This represents the current strength of my reads

GeorgeBailey
<<<<

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<<<<<o>>>>>>>>>>

Datisi
<<<<<

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<<<<o>>>>>>>>>>

HoldenGolden
<<<<<<

<

<<<o>>>>>>>>>>

Hiraki
<<<<<<<<<<o>>

>

>>>>>>>

shiki
<<<<<<<<<<o>>>>>>

>

>>>

humaneatingmonkey
<<<<<<<<<<o>>>>>>>>

>

>

[Hoctac]

Madoka, why do you put so much stock into people doubting our masons claims to as being towny - especially with regards to the monkey? Is in not possible scum would transparently question us if they actually had doubts of a gambit, since they want to kill more optimally in the night?

[humaneatingmonkey]

If this day ends with anything other than a Hiraki lynch, I'm gonna be disappointed.

I don't know why the difference between this Hiraki and the Hiraki last game isn't obvious to everybody. His points here are less about the flaws of my own actual play and the inconsistencies of the narrative I present to everyone and more on the narrative he assigned to them. It feels malicious. I keep thinking about it and I can't reconcile a sharp town!Hiraki not being able to produce more out of our interaction if he truly believes I'm scum. It also feels like what he did with me here was more scumhunting theater than actually trying to figure out who scum is.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Madoka can you speed up to 21 so I can finally see your vote

[humaneatingmonkey]

Can anyone pushing for a Bailey lynch tell me why Bailey is a better lynch?
And where the hell is Bailey?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm ending my day. Good night.

[Madoka]

I am working on it HEM! My niece is asleep in my arm right now so hard to type hoc.

[Hoctac]

Aww, take your time

[humaneatingmonkey]

I am working on it HEM! My niece is asleep in my arm right now so hard to type hoc.

Aw shit now I feel bad

[GeorgeBailey]

Why do you think Madoka "townslipped" for her catchup, George?

I was PoE reading her before, and her catchup post (I said towntell, is that the same thing? idk what townslip exactly is) but I think her catch up post summed up the pages well, and provided decent reads which mostly I agreed with.

[GeorgeBailey]

But i'm curious which of my posts read as TMI @Madoka

[Hoctac]

But i'm curious which of my posts read as TMI @Madoka

She linked them: 235 and 244.

[Umlaut]

Huh, TvT fights, from my personal experience, usually revolve around stupid pedantics on definitions or non-trivial issues that only Town would care about. Then usually someone's feeling get hurt, or someone rages.

I've gotten in plenty of TvT fights where we were both genuinely convinced the other was scum.

This is revenge for Fusion.

Don't give me flashbacks like that

Which one do you pick.

VOTE: Hiraki

Can you explain why you picked this one? I don't recall you really saying you think Hiraki is scum, and I do recall you really saying you think Monkey is scum.

can you substantiate this a bit more?

How so?

Can you point to what GeorgeBailey has said or done that led you to consider him actively engaged in the game?

[Madoka]

Madoka, why do you put so much stock into people doubting our masons claims to as being towny - especially with regards to the monkey? Is in not possible scum would transparently question us if they actually had doubts of a gambit, since they want to kill more optimally in the night?

I do not believe I am. I think George had the the towniest reaction to your claim. My reasoning for town reading HEM is independent of what he thought about your claim. I think the way Holden treated it, however, was scummy because of how long he spent theorizing about your motivations. It was a waste of time for something that would be cleared up on its own.

[Madoka]

Can you point to what GeorgeBailey has said or done that led you to consider him actively engaged in the game?

He is just more active than he was in the previous Blitz. I do not think this is particularly alignment indicative. I simply mentioned it in the process of sorting my feelings.

[Hoctac]

Madoka, why do you put so much stock into people doubting our masons claims to as being towny - especially with regards to the monkey? Is in not possible scum would transparently question us if they actually had doubts of a gambit, since they want to kill more optimally in the night?

I do not believe I am. I think George had the the towniest reaction to your claim. My reasoning for town reading HEM is independent of what he thought about your claim. I think the way Holden treated it, however, was scummy because of how long he spent theorizing about your motivations. It was a waste of time for something that would be cleared up on its own.

140 hu: super town -- I am actually going to stop including HEM's posts since he's locked.

Specifically, why is this "super town" from monkey?

[HoldenGolden]

One person that does a lot of meta persuades your opinion?

But this is a new game, where you're not supposed to know her alignment.

This displeases me!

How does it displease you? Putting a dependence on a read on someone else's read isn't something you do as a first option. It's pretty close to the last option. The only thing HEM has against me is that I'm twisting his words - which, wait a second that sounds familiar -

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11703551

Oopsie.

Let's work from this narrative then. I can pull the post I was talking about from the newbie where post game HEM commented he doesn't like using meta. How does that affect your read considering he is asking Shiki for meta?

[Hiraki]

One person that does a lot of meta persuades your opinion?

But this is a new game, where you're not supposed to know her alignment.

This displeases me!

How does it displease you? Putting a dependence on a read on someone else's read isn't something you do as a first option. It's pretty close to the last option. The only thing HEM has against me is that I'm twisting his words - which, wait a second that sounds familiar -

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11703551

Oopsie.

Let's work from this narrative then. I can pull the post I was talking about from the newbie where post game HEM commented he doesn't like using meta. How does that affect your read considering he is asking Shiki for meta?

Negatively? I think I've brought up that fact multiple times. Not sure what you're trying to get at here.

@all: There are 18 hours left so if you are not on a wagon, it's time to move onto one.