Mini Normal 2141: The World of Tomorrow [Game over!]

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Vote Count 1.7

ready2rock

(4): NoPowerOverMe, VP Baltar, mavsfan41, Gammagooey

votato

(3): CantLynchAPuppy, iDanyboy, Nauci

VP Baltar

(2): votato, ready2rock

NoPowerOverMe

(2): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick

Quick

(1): Blair

Not Voting

(1): Peter Pan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)

Notes:

• Peter Pan has (expired on 2020-05-18 00:56:00) to pick up his prod.

[Quick]

I can go into further detail with this if I must.

[Blair]

I can go into further detail with this if I must.

Please don't. I would benefit more from the opposite: Please help me distill it.

If I am reading you correctly, you are saying NPOM is scummy because he was scumreading Atarashi and I in 253 (with R2R in his "not enough content" category), but moved his vote off of me onto R2R in 413 based on his assumption that there were lurk-scum voting for VP Baltar (427). You inferred from this vote switch that he was townreading me now, and he never explained this shift in his reads.

Is that correct?

If so, I would like NPOM to respond to that.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not townreading Blair. I have her as null-town. When she was teaming with Atari she seemed scummy but she hasn't been doing that as of recent.

[Quick]

This is a perfectly legitimate reason for voting for VP at this stage of the game:

Okay, Effort for donkey just means he is Town. That is all I am saying.

I'll bite. Give me the case on Blair.

So at the time of this question, Blair’s VC was 2, NPOM and Quick. NPOM voted Blair way back in 189. Quick voted Blair closer to this post in 270 while baiting “feel free to ask me for my reasoning” which makes me believe that VP Baltar is directing the above at Quick.

In 376, VP Baltar says he’s pretty sure Quick and Blair are town. I don’t think town!VP Baltar asks his TR Quick about their case on TR Blair. Town!VP Baltar would only asks this if he’s scum reading at least one of Quick/Blair.

His town read post came after a Blair vs Quick so it’s possible he read that as TvT since, but that means he was scum reading Blair since he was town reading Quick in 317.

He never makes a push on Blair prior to this or expresses any sort of scum read on Blair. I think the above is disingenuous and he looking for town to eat itself here.

Vote: VP Baltar

HOWEVER...

One of NPOM's reasons for voting on the VP wagon is that:

I think some three of the most non active people voting baltar shows that he is town

Which is pretty much just blatantly FALSE given I personally have a decent TR on mav and they are making serious sense right now.

The other problem is that Donkey is NOT a low poster at this point in the game!!!

So it REALLY looks like NPOM is just going after low hanging fruit by voting R2R, but maybe, just maybe, R2R set that shit up on purpose??? Either way, NPOM's vote on R2R is BAD when he has better reasons to keep his vote on Blair while there is actually a cemblance of a wagon there with me as his TR voting with him on someone he thinks is Scum... Except he KNOWS Blair is Town so he gets off Blair to go after low hanging fruit.

Again... He has every reason to stay on Blair at this point... One of his TRs whom he admits has good reads is voting there with him and there is zero wagon on R2R at this point in the game. If mav's reasons for voting VP are actually legit, which I think they are at that point in the game, then his only saving prayer is based on a GENERALITY of play rather than a RULE seen here:

I think some three of the most non active people voting baltar shows that he is town

Are you implying that the quiet people are all scum together, or is there some other logic to your assessment?

I'm saying there is more likely scum on the wagon than not.

And that is a HARD case to make to actually legitimize a read based off that.

[Quick]

I can go into further detail with this if I must.

Please don't. I would benefit more from the opposite: Please help me distill it.

If I am reading you correctly, you are saying NPOM is scummy because he was scumreading Atarashi and I in 253 (with R2R in his "not enough content" category), but moved his vote off of me onto R2R in 413 based on his assumption that there were lurk-scum voting for VP Baltar (427). You inferred from this vote switch that he was townreading me now, and he never explained this shift in his reads.

Is that correct?

If so, I would like NPOM to respond to that.

Quite. And like I said... He has every reason to stay on the current wagon because his TR (strongest?) is voting there with him whom he admits can made "good reads."

[Quick]

I'm not townreading Blair. I have her as null-town. When she was teaming with Atari she seemed scummy but she hasn't been doing that as of recent.

There's ZERO progression.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's called being flexible to changing conditions.

[Quick]

I think some three of the most non active people voting baltar shows that he is town

That makes zero sense.

I think some three of the most non active people voting baltar shows that he is town

nah

Game is just over 24 hours old

Your defense of his play is noted.

So join me then.

How about no because you can both be Scum here.

For the RECORD.

[Quick]

Still like my vote!

I did state a case on NPOM but not one person commented on it. Not really sure why that is.

OK, I give up, I can't find it. Please link your NPOM case?

All I found was this:

This is more or less my reads at this point.

Atarashi
mav, Gamma, Puppy
Dany, VP, Blair
votato
NPOM
R2R

But I would like to see what R2R brings to the table.

So this is my vote after analysis (seperate from what I have said ITT).

VOTE: NPOM

Unless your NPOM case came before your NPOM vote. I didn't go back much farther than that.

VOTE: nauci

Mindless comments.

Pro tip: get an avatar.

I'll consider it. I'm doordashing at the moment.

You don't understand, usually by now Blair has the class settled down and school is in session. You'll see I guess, or maybe not, don't want to poison the well here, (Sorry Blair!)

So you're saying in your past experience, Blair would be serious out of the gates? Want to make sure I'm interpreting correctly

Blair posts a lot in RVS, that's all, don't mean anything scummy implied

Quick looks like he's doing his own thing but i want him to explain his townread more so

VOTE: Quick

Sure let me try to.

As am experienced Scum he wouldn't think to take my advice seriously. That is why he "considered" doing it.

Then he said I had a good read. Make of that what you will.

Which pretty much implicates NPOM given he has experience playing as per his FoS and he never intended to get an avatar in the first place. This is Scum.

Weird reasoning, but think about it for a bit.

Plus, did you see how quickly he gave me a TR? Like, why does my tinfoil case he is TOWN a good read? Because I am pretty sure I said:

They will, watch.

AND:

Blair who's my scumbuddy? A page 4 game solution would be a new record.

NPOM -- FOS but no vote?

WTH he has no avatar.

I think some three of the most non active people voting baltar shows that he is town

That makes zero sense.

I think some three of the most non active people voting baltar shows that he is town

Are you implying that the quiet people are all scum together, or is there some other logic to your assessment?

He is saying they are Town for voting for someone who is never getting lynched this phase.

Plus, it means either his SR on Blair dissopated (with no progression) and that he is ignoring the VP wagon while even saying the people voting there are likely Town -1. At what point does NPOM make the "logical" choice just vote VP here? Does he TR VP or is the Town -1 mean there is no possibility of Bus or what? Cuz I am pretty sure NPOM knows Scum would for sure sit on a Scum early game if they don't intend to be active.

Good read.

Giving townreads is generally protown in my opinion as it opens yourself up to criticism

Why is everyone so scummy? Except Quick and Puppy.

Okay, I guess, just don't shut down Sus on yourself I guess

My previous case @Blair. I will admit I was going on a hunch but it turned out to be dead on because he didn't get an avatar until well after I said:

Blair who's my scumbuddy? A page 4 game solution would be a new record.

NPOM -- FOS but no vote?

WTH he has no avatar.

Which was WAY back at 179.

[Quick]

@Blair...

We totally smoked 'em.

[Quick]

unvote

Vote: Blair

VOTE: Blair

I would love to see Blair Tunnel this about now.

unvote

Vote: Blair

eggs, plain

Both of you: what votato said

Mine had a double meaning.

Way too much fun.

[ready2rock]

You know what, I can get on board with this

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I think his cases in general have been very flimsy, which wasn't enough for me in and of itself, but the fact that you're pointing out of him being inconsistent with the supposed basis behind his reads has swayed me

Am still keeping an eye on VP though. List coming shortly because I probably should have a while ago

[ready2rock]

Town: Blair, Atarashi, Puppy

Lean town: Quick, Nauci

Neutral (because I'm uncertain on my read): Mavs, Votato

Neutral (because there isn't enough to go on): Peter Pan, Gamma, iDany

Lean Scum: NPOM, VP

[mavsfan41]

@Quick: I like your case a lot actually. And I’ll even throw this in to further your point about NPOM reaching for low-hanging fruit with the iDanyboy mention. This would fit in with his whole lurking thing, but I just find it either scummy or lazy. A policy lynch of a lurker is definitely better than listing lurkers as your top scum read. Actually, Atarashi is low hanging fruit at this point too. This was a NPOM read earlier but it has remained while Atarashi has been largely inactive. Replacing Blair with iDanyboy but leaving the inactive Atarashi is a theme of having his top scum reads all mostly inactive players.

Rtr Danny and Atari if I had to guess at this point.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

pedit: r2r posted his before I could get this off but their reads are reversed. Methinks there is definitely scum here.

@ready2rock: why do you feel Atarashi is town?

[votato]

Town: Quick, votato, Mavs

Lean town: Blair, Nauci

Neutral (because I'm uncertain on my read): Puppy, R2R

Neutral (because there isn't enough to go on): Peter Pan, Gamma, iDany

Lean Scum: NPOM, VP, Atarashi

[Blair]

@Blair...

We totally smoked 'em.

Fine, but only because you pinky-promised you'd help us lynch scum even if you are scum!

VOTE: NPOM

The case being decent (and finally coherent) didn't hurt, either. Even if he was null reading me at that point, why move your vote off of a null read on to a random "one of these three is probably scum, I guess this one will do"?

NPOM, you are welcome to commence flailing in abject terror and/or despair. I'm not fussy.

[Blair]

EBWOP: mavs' vote didn't show up for me in the preview window.

I believe that is L-2

[Blair]

@ready2rock: why do you feel Atarashi is town?

This question = quality content

Your Atarashi read is dramatically different from pretty much everyone else's - please expound.

[Quick]

Also, thank you for asking me to build a case @Nauci.

[Nauci]

A) Lurking is scummy.

B) R2R was heavy lurking.

C) R2R has meta of lurking as scum and crying foul when caught.

D) Lurking and then hyperposting when wagoned is scummy.

E) R2R has not been actively scumhunting since coming out of lurktirement.

F) When my reasoning was questioned, he said something like "I'm done entertaining this line of thought." which sounds like he knows he's going to get lynched and doesn't want to implicate his scumbuddies.

A) Not really, at least not by itself.

B) I could be pedantic here and ask you to define "heavy" lurking when we're, what, two real life days into this game? But sure, he was lurking, it can be heavy if you want.

C) You have not demonstrated that he *only* lurks as scum, so this isn't a tell.

D) This one I would agree with to an extent, if only because it implies they were probably reading along the whole time while refraining from posting. I privately call this the "Bloody Mary" pattern. :p

E) I agree.

F) That's reading way too much into it, I suspect.

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If I were to boil your case down to only the parts I would agree with, it would become:

He wasn't posting at all until we started talking about him, the he conveniently appeared to argue about it incessantly, but that's all he's doing - I don't see much scumhunting.

Is that fair?

It's like you stole this post out of my brain!

[Blair]

NPOM, you are welcome to commence flailing in abject terror and/or despair. I'm not fussy.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's a terrible wagon. I think it speaks for itself.

[Blair]

Forsooth, methinks he hath chosen despair.

[NoPowerOverMe]

But hey, if you want to lynch someone based on an OMGUS then be my guest.