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[Nauci]

can u elaborate on this? hope i'm not just asking u the same questions over and over again, but i'm trying to develop a read on u here and not finding anything to sink my teeth into. are u saying there are no bad reasons, or u're just not sure what to make of mav yet?

I'm saying that I haven't evaluated their posts enough to have had much of a read on them. My gut reaction to their previous posts IIRC are that they were sometimes very surface level analysis, but much of that is because they latched onto my accidental quote as so much of their justification for the scum read. I liked their explanation for why they disregarded the post I immediately made after that to explain the accident, so I think the push on me was motivated by a genuine reaction of GROSS to my question to the mod instead of scum pushing at low hanging fruit/skin deep transgressions? I will have to get back to you on any of his other posts once I get to my pc in a few hours because I don't have a read formed there yet.

[Blair]

Puppy! Be a good boy and fetch Blair your read on Gamma!

hard null. i keep waiting for him to appear with more content and he hasn't. if i could strap one poster into the clockwork orange brainwash chair and force them to watch the whole thread, it'd be him

Really? Nothing at all, one way or the other?

Could you give these a good sniff? 686 694 697

[ready2rock]

Couple of thoughts

Starting to raise some eyebrows at Nauci, particularly the way she seems to be indirectly defending NPOM to Quick. Still leaning town, but might be worth looking at if NPOM flips scum, which I'm feeling better and better about.

Mavs is coming across as more town to me, feels much more like he's actively participating and scumhunting rather than searching for tiny details to nitpick.

I have noticed that votato has changed his tone since the start of the game, and it seems to have taken the target off his back. Not sure if this is a scumtell in and of itself, but may affect my read if other things come to light

[Nauci]

Starting to raise some eyebrows at Nauci, particularly the way she seems to be indirectly defending NPOM to Quick. Still leaning town, but might be worth looking at if NPOM flips scum, which I'm feeling better and better about.

It's not like I have a whole history of strongly scum reading NPOM and clarifying Quick's posts or anything ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

[Quick]

I stand by my reads and NPOM is eating rope today.

One of the very few phone posts I have made on this forum so it Probably doesn't make sense, but I stand by it regardless. Plus I've demonstrated my posts have reasoning behind them So you can just take me at my word now.

[VP Baltar]

Going more notes style here so I can avoid a giant wall as much as possible for you all. This game is too long for just starting and is going to be a bear for any potential replacements

- Agree with Nauci that votato is still scum. Still a viable lynch today in my book.

- Quick's "system to destroy scum" is, um, problematic at best.... mostly because it's far too complex to consistently yield anything coherent. After a quick scan, I couldn't tell you what the actual decision tree would be with such a system.

Here is a pretty key phrase from said system:

"You can also use this method as Scum because it is a method that is malleable enough to spin things to your liking since most of it is subjective. "

so yeah...moving on

I can actually buy the votecount shenanigans as being a genuine mistake given that I don't really see the point of doing it as scum

I literally explained the reason for doing it as scum. Not a fan of this post to vote for r2r considering that my reasoning was the best reasoning for the vote.

Next point:

My overall point about VP is that I think he's mostly the one who I think has been going for the low hanging fruit in the way that people are accusing votato of doing

Who accused votato of going after low hanging fruit? Also, I wouldn't say any of the cases I've made have really bought me any favoring. In fact, I feel like I'm zagging more than anyone in the game and I wish more people would actually listen to me.

-Quick's case on NPOM is OK, but I agree with the NPOM that the wagon on me was scummy as hell. So, the entire premise of this case doesn't ring that much for me (abandoning Blair scum read). Seemed more like town abandoning weak reads for something more substantial if you ask me. I also don't buy that moving a vote off someone means you're "townreading" them.

- LOL, r2r voting NPOM on a mediocre case now that my wagon fell apart.

Please kill this guy now, he is guaranteed scum.

- Everyone should stop saying "low hanging fruit." In fact, I'll say it's actively scummy to dismiss any cases on that point alone because it doesn't have a factual basis that can be countered. It's a subjective statement.

- And then votato votes NPOM to L-1 with no explanation and says "don't lynch yet"

HE IS SCUM

- r2r asks me my thoughts on the NPOM wagon. See above, I don't find it terribly convincing.

- I get vibes Quick is being played by votato's constant buddying to him.

Don't worry Nauci the more Quick fires at you it just makes you look more towny.

Well I don't like this...Do you think Quick is scum NPOM?

[ready2rock]

OK, how this has developed has made me feel even better on my scum reads, that being VP and NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

That's L-1.

[Nauci]

Hey R2R want to carefully explain your case on VP B for us

Hint: the answer is yes

[Nauci]

I feel like there has to be a town between R2R, NPOM, and votato, so I guess my docket today is figuring out who that is after dinner

[ready2rock]

I feel like there has to be a town between R2R, NPOM, and votato, so I guess my docket today is figuring out who that is after dinner

Is this because of some speculation you have about setup, or because you don't think that the 3 you listed could all be scum at the same time? And I'm town, so there's that much solved for you.

Will type up some more detailed thoughts on VP later tonight

[votato]

OK, how this has developed has made me feel even better on my scum reads, that being VP and NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

That's L-1.

and just a few pages ago i called you town...

[Nauci]

I feel like there has to be a town between R2R, NPOM, and votato, so I guess my docket today is figuring out who that is after dinner

Is this because of some speculation you have about setup, or because you don't think that the 3 you listed could all be scum at the same time? And I'm town, so there's that much solved for you.

Will type up some more detailed thoughts on VP later tonight

I don't even remember enough about game setup rules or how they may have changed in 2 years; I've been playing this game just by generally applicable scum hunting methods

All 3 of you are scummy to me but I doubt the chances that town would have wagoned 3 scum over the course of day 1 of that 3 scum would all be voting each other, sometimes to the point of -1, unless this is a hell of a bet on WIFOM taking town out

[NoPowerOverMe]

The thought hasn't occured to you that VP, Nauci and I could all be town?

[Quick]

- Quick's "system to destroy scum" is, um, problematic at best.... mostly because it's far too complex to consistently yield anything coherent. After a quick scan, I couldn't tell you what the actual decision tree would be with such a system.

Nope! It's a proven method, which I cannot talk about.

[VP Baltar]

NPOM -- I asked you if you think Quick is scum based on your comment to Nauci. Please answer that.

Quick -- We can agree to disagree. I thought your system makes some valid points, but overall I agree with your own assessment that it's subjective...and that's the problem. Meanwhile: lol r2r, amirite?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Well I don't like this...Do you think Quick is scum NPOM?

No, just anti town town.

[VP Baltar]

Well I don't like this...Do you think Quick is scum NPOM?

No, just anti town town.

If he's just being anti-town, then why would that make Nauci look more town?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Well I don't like this...Do you think Quick is scum NPOM?

No, just anti town town.

If he's just being anti-town, then why would that make Nauci look more town?

Because if someone playing scummy/anti-town attacks a player generally it makes that player look townie.

[VP Baltar]

But if he is town and is just playing anti-town, that doesn't mean anything about Nauci's alignment....

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm pretty confident that votato and R2R are both scum in this case, in case I get lynched.

Atari would be my third scum if I had to choose.

[NoPowerOverMe]

But if he is town and is just playing anti-town, that doesn't mean anything about Nauci's alignment....

It means that he's playing like scum would, and scum tend to try to get town lynched.

[Quick]

NPOM -- I asked you if you think Quick is scum based on your comment to Nauci. Please answer that.

Quick -- We can agree to disagree. I thought your system makes some valid points, but overall I agree with your own assessment that it's subjective...and that's the problem. Meanwhile: lol r2r, amirite?

Bro, it's just PoE + accounting for Posts. Really nothing to it.

[Umlaut]

Seeking a replacement for Peter Pan.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Personally I think you should hold off of any hammers until the replacement is here.

[Quick]

Personally I think you should hold off of any hammers until the replacement is here.

Because ofc you want to find a way to weasel out of your lynch.