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[Quick]

If the thread stalls, we need to lynch.

[Nauci]

I'm paranoid that scum is outside of the 3 wagons, pulling out puppet strings as town debates which town to kill, and need to comb through my town reads, but I don't think that there's more than 1 scum within them, I think at least one of the empty slots is scum, maybe 2. Hopefully it's actually this easy and I have accurate town hunting.

Gamma at the very least needs to give analysis for each of the 3 wagons with momentum before the day is allowed to end

[Nauci]

I don't have the time to read up on it right now but can someone double-check that like, Blair didn't blink first on the votato wagon, give a meagre justification for it, and then kind of not mention or interact with votato for the rest of the game?

[Dunnstral]

FOS: Atarashi Hajimari

I don't think you should "be willing to sheep" "for now" and at the same time put someone at L-2.

I liked Atarashi on this page/the page before

Blair, you seem town. Votato is not.

I'm not seeing Votato scum at this point in the game

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Blair looks like town to me, Puppy looks kind of towny as well in response to pressure

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So I should have asked myself to spew town as well?

I'm not really following. (Also, THAT definitely would be asking for town cred) :|

You shouldn't "ask yourself to spew town", you should just do things that are pro town rather than go around looking for people that think you are town.

I'm wondering what your experience is since you apparently didn't have an avatar earlier and are a new account

im a bit torn between atarashi and VP here for my next vote, but im feeling better about puppy.

This is so-so, I don't know what you're looking at for atarashi and VP here, agree on puppy at this point in time

Now THAT's a bad OMGUS vote.

Given that two people voted for two different targets one after the other before this post, you may want to specify.

Putting your head in the sand doesn't make the problem go away.

I've got no idea what you're on about right now

I don't see any logical reason for the Blair/Atarashi teamup unless they are scumbuddies to be honest.

What team-up? Them voting together?

I don't see why scum!Atarashi would ask for anyone to take a vague statement that could have been addressing several people and ask for it to be clarified that it was directed at him.

He's an egotist?

I don't like this post: I don't think this is a real thought you would have as town, it looks like you're just trying to be right

Rather be rude town than polite scum.

Being scum is rng, being rude isn't, just saying

My strongest opinion so far is that Puppy looks surprisingly town for how early it is - his/her posting seems very open and straightforward so far and I think that kind of mindset is much more likely to come from town than scum

I like Blair's playstyle but she feels competent enough for what she's posted so far to come from town or scum. She's putting in the work tho so she'll prob be readable before too long

VOTE: Nauci
Not particularly confident in it but she's a fine first 'real' vote - NPOM feels like he/she'd be a good early target for scum given their abrasiveness so far and doubling down on mavs' RVS post having a justification and saying that he disappeared 12 hours into the game seems dumb.
like yeah there's mavs literally now because it's morning and it makes sense

Might have more at lunch (which is in like 3 hours since some of ya'll seem like non-East Coasters)

Nauci looks fine to me at this point in the game

i cant explain why he'd post walls right out of RVS.

I don't think this is a valid scumtell

Disagree?

yep!

Okay, well Blair seems LAMIST to me this game so far.

Fair point

Hi, stop blowing up my spot. I do not want to get NKed

Weird

I think some three of the most non active people voting baltar shows that he is town

Non active = scum ?

VP also completely ignored all the questions asked of him. interesting.

Pardon? I've tried to answer all questions directed my way. I'm sure there are things that have been missed along the way though due to the river of content, so feel free to point them out.

Note to Votato: I feel like you keep saying that people are ignoring all questions and I'm not remembering the questions being asked either. Maybe I'm just glossing over stuff.

OK some questions for VP

1) You said early on in the thread that you didn't like puppy talking about blair's inactivity. Did that actually affect your read one way or the other, since you had your vote on them at the time? And thoughts on puppy now?

2) Since you asked for the case on Blair (336) and since then a lot of discussion has happened between her and quick. Thoughts on Blair now?

3) Do you still think there's value in pressuring votato more at this stage?

1) puppy is town. said as much.

2) Blair is town. said as much. Also addressed mavs question in my previous post.

3) I think there is value in lynching votato and in lynching you, yes.

This post feels towny

I didn't see that post. It sounds like a town lurker looking for an excuse to lurk so when he is scum he has town lurking meta.

For this post too: "I don't like this post: I don't think this is a real thought you would have as town, it looks like you're just trying to be right"

It's a terrible wagon. I think it speaks for itself.

But hey, if you want to lynch someone based on an OMGUS then be my guest.

Scummy reaction IMO

I think she’s scummy af. Especially after 673.

I'm not seeing Nauci as scummy

yeah quicks style is shit, but in this instance there is a larger case. none of you are doing anything to address the case. you are trying to form counterwagons or engage in ad hominem.

I agree with this post; at least, the second half is what I'm talking about. But I think it's mostly NPOM - he changed his tune when Blair/Quick turned on him

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

Yeah, I'm thinking he's scum

[mavsfan41]

@Puppy: what are your thoughts on NPOM? You’re voting r2r to pressure him, sure, but why do you think he’s scum? I don’t believe you’ve shared why you think it’s r2r over NPOM. Also, with regards to NPOM, what are your thoughts there? I see you mention him in 681 but that’s really the only time. I take it with your vote on r2r over NPOM you think NPOM is town. What makes r2r scummier for you than NPOM?

[mavsfan41]

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

Yeah, I'm thinking he's scum

This is the hammer? Yes?

Alright puppy, nvm I suppose.

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral replaces Peter Pan.

Yay!

Hello Dunn Dunn!

You probably don't remember me but I think we were in a newbie together 2 years ago

Hello

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 1.10 (Final)

NoPowerOverMe

(7): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick, mavsfan41, Blair, votato, ready2rock, Dunnstral

ready2rock

(5): VP Baltar, Gammagooey, CantLynchAPuppy, Nauci, NoPowerOverMe

votato

(1): iDanyboy

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Umlaut]

NoPowerOverMe was lynched!

Spoiler: What was he?!

Welcome to the game, NoPowerOverMe. You are a

Town Night 4 Vigilante

.

Abilities

• On Night 4, you may target one player to kill them during the night.

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

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Night 1

Everyone sleep tight!
The day will dawn in (expired on 2020-05-20 12:51:00).
(If all living players PM me their consent, I will end the night early.)

[Umlaut]

Nauci died during the night!

Spoiler: What was she?!

Welcome to the game, Nauci. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities

You have no special abilities.

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

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Day 2

Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting

(11): Quick, votato, VP Baltar, midwaybear, Gammagooey, ready2rock, Blair, Atarashi Hajimari, CantLynchAPuppy, mavsfan41, Dunnstral

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-05-30 13:06:00)

Notes:

• midwaybear replaces iDanyboy.
  
• Atarashi Hajimari has (expired on 2020-05-21 13:06:00) to pick up their prod from yesterday.

[mavsfan41]

I’ll be honest, I had a slight scum read on Nauci. Anyone have a hypothesis on why it was her? Looking through her ISO she had votes on r2r and votato. She’s not the only suspecting those two. She also had 851 asking about GammaGooey that went unfulfilled before the hammer.

Looking at the votes on NPOM, I must think there was at least one scum voting there. (Yep, I was on that wagon too, I’m aware.) Quick’s case and post detailing his case I think is extremely hard for scum to fake and for him to learn hard on it, I can’t see him being scum. Blair piggybacks off this but has independent thoughts asking NPOM to scum hunt and town hunt which would suggest she was influenced by Quick’s case but did have her own reasons to suspect him. Atarashi had reason to suspect NPOM but that was very early in the game, so can’t say much about that as he’s disappeared. Dunnstral, R2R, and votato are the others and I’ve gotta think scum is most likely here.

Dunnstral

- I didn’t like the catch up and hammer. Read to me like a “sure, why not” vote. Reading the catch up, I couldn’t see conviction in a reason to hammer with the thought of NPOM flipping scum.

R2R

- I’ve gotta go back and reread the interaction between him and NPOM and see if I think this is TvT. I’m leaning a vote here right now with the flip of NPOM. The reason I won’t is cause I don’t trust my reads right now, speaking of which...

Votato

- so I was pretty vocal about reading votato as town. But with NPOM’s flip and looking through the ISOs of the voters’ this one I did have issue with, specifically the development of the NPOM vote. So 310 was awhile ago with the amount of posts this game has, but votato states here he feels strongly about Atarashi and won’t move his vote. He then flips to VP Baltar. Then again on NPOM. Seems like a drastic change from “not moving off Atarashi.” Of all the votes, this one seems to be the most hopping on a wagon. I still read the rest of his ISO as town, but the vote progression from resistance of moving his vote to willingly hopping on the NPOM wagon, I’m having serious doubts here and want a better read here.

VOTE: Vote: votato

[midwaybear]

my dude only had one post haha
I also didn't really like Nauci, so maybe scum had PR vibes from her

[CantHateAPuppy]

man, i was hoping after that atrocious hammer and missing the last few pages that i'd be nightkilled out of this game

i do want to get votato again, came into this thread two days ago to put my vote back there only to find the thread locked

any questions anyone had from yesterday that i missed, let me know and i'll answer

[CantHateAPuppy]

nauci is an interesting kill, does some of our work for us because she was a slot that needed resolving

don't feel like changing town reads just now, still feel comfortable with the ones i've got, but will reread and see about it

tbh this game is a low priority RN, i'll be around but it'll be 2-3 days before i can give this full attention

[VP Baltar]

Anyone have a hypothesis on why it was her?

I kind of get this question....but I also kind of hate it. To quote you, looks pretty LAMIST.

But then again, I agree that votato and r2r are still likely scum. Their votes were terrible yesterday, almost entirely across the board, but particularly on the NPOM wagon.

I also am not a fan of Blair's entry into that wagon when there were better candidates and she had told me she'd be willing to lunch r2r yesterday.

Dunn's hammer was also FoS. Felt like a very fast end to a day that was still likely to get some more replacements.

Gamma, even though Nauci is dead, I'll be her standard bearer and say you need to reply to her posts.

[Gammagooey]

I read over a decent chunk of the game yesterday so have some thoughts

I really dislike r2r's chunk of posts here: 637, 702, 781
637 I could definitely see a scum making as a way get away with 'oh yeah I was also scumreading them but it was minor and now that you've pointed out more I'll happily join you on this person trying to lynch me', and 702 tries to make him look like he's trying to get more info out of the wagon when I suspect he'd know that VPB was strongly scumreading him from VPB's #535 through #574 and then uses that in #782 as another reason to vote NPOM.

I still don't like his earlier jumping on of Quick v Blair being TvT (this is the thing that I thought NPOM might have voted r2r for originally along with the VPB wagon stuff, though his response after Blair and I talking about his reason for voting r2r for a bit showed that it almost definitely wasn't the case) and then explaining it with him thinking that they were town separately before that and their pushing each other felt genuine without saying why he was townreading them both before that. It felt more like him using their argument as an easy reason to read them both as town and dismiss their arguing than him really having pre-existing reads on both of them, and I still don't see why he has Blair as one of his top town reads.

If he is scum I also think Blair makes a lot of sense as his partner - I think r2r never really gave a good reason to townread Blair, she hopped off of r2r to vote NPOM after saying the below earlier, she had what I saw as her two previous scumreads (quick and r2r) on the wagon, AND she dismissed Puppy's post voting r2r in 754.

No, I think R2R lied about the vote count for some unknowable reason. I pretty plainly said I'd be okay with lynching him today if I can't have Quick.

But your meta argument is terrible.

VOTE: ready2rock

[mavsfan41]

@VP Baltar: you’re not wrong. And I don’t want to double down LAMIST/WIFOM but the reason I asked was cause I had a slight scum read on her. So when going through her ISO, I’m not sure where to start. My only thoughts would be that enough people had her as town and she wasn’t on NPOM. Anyone on NPOM’s wagon would be labeled as suspicious with his flip.
Also, not sure who I was expecting to be NK’ed, maybe Blair or Quick with their fight and how many people were town reading that and uninterested in Quick/Blair’s lynch aka they would be a hard mislynch.

[Gammagooey]

I’ll be honest, I had a slight scum read on Nauci. Anyone have a hypothesis on why it was her? Looking through her ISO she had votes on r2r and votato. She’s not the only suspecting those two. She also had 851 asking about GammaGooey that went unfulfilled before the hammer.

My take is that Nauci was right about either r2r or one of her last two posts (or both)

I'm paranoid that scum is outside of the 3 wagons, pulling out puppet strings as town debates which town to kill, and need to comb through my town reads, but I don't think that there's more than 1 scum within them, I think at least one of the empty slots is scum, maybe 2. Hopefully it's actually this easy and I have accurate town hunting.

Gamma at the very least needs to give analysis for each of the 3 wagons with momentum before the day is allowed to end

I don't have the time to read up on it right now but can someone double-check that like, Blair didn't blink first on the votato wagon, give a meagre justification for it, and then kind of not mention or interact with votato for the rest of the game?

She was townreading Quick pretty consistently in particular so I don't think Quick would want to kill Nauci unless specifically r2r was his partner

[mavsfan41]

@Gammagooey: reading R2R’s ISO, I saw 702 plenty of times and I thought that was a fair representation of what NPOM was actually doing. It fit the narrative that he was lazy scum hunting which ultimately lead to his lynch (along with Quick’s case). I know you explained this, but I’m not sure I understand why that one would be scummy and grouped with the others. The other posts you’ve pointed out, sure. But 702 I’m not quite sure I read it as scummy. Could you please elaborate a bit further on that one?
Your Blair/R2R interaction is very interesting.

[Blair]

man, i was hoping after that atrocious hammer and missing the last few pages that i'd be nightkilled out of this game

i do want to get votato again, came into this thread two days ago to put my vote back there only to find the thread locked

any questions anyone had from yesterday that i missed, let me know and i'll answer

Thoughts:

1. Upon analysis, Gamma can talk more. Need to resolve this slot.

2. There is a lot of speculation about scum being on the NPOM wagon - which is fair, because more than half the game was on that wagon. Unless you think ALL the scum were on that wagon, however, we should probably be looking just as hard at the people who were off of it:

All seven voters from the NPOM wagon are alive today, only four of the people who were off of that wagon are alive today.

I like my odds better hunting in the group of four than the group of seven today. I do not believe it is likely that the entire scum team jumped on the Day 1 mislynch together.

That leaves at least one scum in here:

Gammagooey
VP Baltar
CantLynchAPuppy
iDanyboy

Out of that group, we can hunt for people who seemed to avoid the wagon in anticipation of a town flip. My best guesses there are Gamma and Puppy.

Gamma seemed to be reaching really hard to find a defense of NPOM where there wasn't one in their back and forth with me shortly before the lynch (not saying there was no good defense of NPOM, but the one Gamma chose fell apart upon inspection - even NPOM didn't go along with it). Gamma had very few posts during Day 1, and this awkward conversation made up about 30% of them.

Puppy swooped in to support a counterwagon with a pretty flimsy post shortly before the lynch as well.

Of those two, Gamma seems more likely to flip scum to me.

VOTE: Gammagooey

[Blair]

Oh, didn't mean to quote Puppy in that post, but I did want to point out how awful that post was. Is anybody buying that first line?

[votato]

Oh, didn't mean to quote Puppy in that post, but I did want to point out how awful that post was. Is anybody buying that first line?

im not buying any of it. who would want to vote for me

[Gammagooey]

@VPB - my read on ready2 I'm assuming is pretty clear from my first post today

votato I still think feels pretty town, I liked his posts on pages 16 and 20, I thought Blair's reason to think he was scum for not getting mad against her subtle dig was dumb and his defense made sense, and more recently I think his response to several people voting him in 683 and 707 felt right for town to make in that situation - two people jump off the biggest wagon and who he thinks is scum to vote him and one of them gives the other shit for doing so would immediately ring alarm bells of potential scum doing cheeky bullshit for a newer player, and his question to Nauci sounds like legitimately trying to figure out wtf is going on:

That's a really bad sequence. What changed there nauci? You thought the counterwagon for your buddy was r2r but then you realized it was me so you changed?

NPOM was a pretty close to null read for me at the end of the day - I had a guttown read on him earlier d1 since I thought scum would play a little more cautiously than he did, but talking to Blair about NPOM's reason to vote r2r made me realize I was just very likely just wrong about why NPOM voted r2r and my defense of him based on that. I missed the last few pages of the day but as I mentioned with votato I can at least see why votato would scumread NPOM for his votechange with Nauci.

[mavsfan41]

Oh, didn't mean to quote Puppy in that post, but I did want to point out how awful that post was. Is anybody buying that first line?

im not buying any of it. who would want to vote for me

Me. But the Blair/R2R pairing makes waaaaay more sense than you/R2R.

UNVOTE: Votato

Blair’s wagon theory does make sense but I would pursue Puppy over GammaGooey here.

@VP Baltar: where does Puppy’s LAMIST post compare with mine?