Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[gibus]

first of 32nd

[votato]

Welp, skimmed through the thread last night and realized at the end I thought I had replaced into a different slot. This sounds dumb and is and my excuse is that I thought I was replacing into the newbie slot. I work during ET 9-5 more or less—will do a more detailed read tonight.

I'll take the blame for that one....My bad....I can move people around in the role order if it makes you feel better....

Lol it’s my fault for not reading carefully and no one’s fault that this game has had so many replacements.

Yeah I’m in brassherald’s slot.

isnt it elmo's fault that there are so many replacements? she isnt cracking the whip hard enough.

[osuka]

first of 32nd

Very thoughtful and game advancing post. Thanks for the great content

[osuka]

Welp, skimmed through the thread last night and realized at the end I thought I had replaced into a different slot. This sounds dumb and is and my excuse is that I thought I was replacing into the newbie slot. I work during ET 9-5 more or less—will do a more detailed read tonight.

I'll take the blame for that one....My bad....I can move people around in the role order if it makes you feel better....

Lol it’s my fault for not reading carefully and no one’s fault that this game has had so many replacements.

Yeah I’m in brassherald’s slot.

isnt it elmo's fault that there are so many replacements? she isnt cracking the whip hard enough.

How is the mod to blame for replacements?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Tuxedo "caught up" but contributed only the most cursory surface reads.

I expressly haven't caught up. I'm ten pages behind, and have only been giving my surfaces reads because I don't know what has and hasn't been discussed, for example, I have the quote of Ironcat's originally read list up because I was going to comment on how large their scum pool was. Only for them to clarify it was a range, and the ones at the bottom (or top?) were town.

Also

@Elmo I'm at L-2 I believe

Can we slow down the votes on me, so I can at least have time to give my thoughts?

[osuka]

VOTE: CopyKat (Tuxedo Mask)
Back at L-2

Why the pressure on the newbie? Kinda of a dick move to let him get his toe in the pool before beaning him in the nuts with the ball.

This post does not come from town

You’re either trying to pocket tuxedo or trying to defend a scum partner

[Tuxedo Mask]

VOTE: CopyKat (Tuxedo Mask)
Back at L-2

Why the pressure on the newbie? Kinda of a dick move to let him get his toe in the pool before beaning him in the nuts with the ball.

This post does not come from town

You’re either trying to pocket tuxedo or trying to defend a scum partner

alright nerds please don't lynch anyone before I have a chance to catch up here

UNVOTE:

Is Formerfish not coming from the same place as you when you replaced? Why is it okay for you to ask the game to slow down to catch up, but scummy for him to let me catch up?

[osuka]

what time is it? does anyone know?

[osuka]

oh hold on I think I got my watch to work again

[osuka]

IT IS MISREP O'CLOCK FELLAS

[votato]

that doesnt address the question raised, which was fair. it does seem to be a double-standard

[osuka]

VOTE: CopyKat (Tuxedo Mask)
Back at L-2

Why the pressure on the newbie? Kinda of a dick move to let him get his toe in the pool before beaning him in the nuts with the ball.

This post does not come from town

You’re either trying to pocket tuxedo or trying to defend a scum partner

alright nerds please don't lynch anyone before I have a chance to catch up here

UNVOTE:

Is Formerfish not coming from the same place as you when you replaced? Why is it okay for you to ask the game to slow down to catch up, but scummy for him to let me catch up?

first of all, I never asked for the game to slow down - I asked that nobody

lynch

anyone, as that would be particularly unfortunate for me if I don't even know what's going on or have a chance to chime in. you're nowhere close to being lynched; l-2 does not a lynch make

[osuka]

FURTHERMORE,

[osuka]

I'm sorry I wasn't clear

Oh thats ok, i actually have a list, in my head. So maybe not a list, but an idea.

And newbie as in replacement. I even had that word in my head instead of newbie to be more clear with my objection, but you know, stoned.

this is an obvious attempt at amending a previous post where he said something ("leave the newbie alone, you monsters") and got himself in a bad place ("why are you protecting the guy?"). have you ever seen anyone use "newbie" to mean someone who just replaced in? I know i have never

[osuka]

notice I haven't advocated for your lynch either and I'd vote you right now but that would put you at l-1 and

that

would actually be bad

[osuka]

@mod: would you consider adding another day to d1 if people have trouble catching up? I don't need it and i hate to be that guy, but if people dont have a chance to properly discuss things on d1 because they replaced late that's really bad. of course that needs to be balanced with not stalling the game, since it looks like that could be a problem as well.

to be clear, not asking you to do anything right now - just want to know where your mind is at regarding a _possible_ second extension to the day.

[votato]

@mod: are you opposed to giving us an extra day or two on d1 since we're still missing one replacement (I think) and I need to read through 25 pages?

Right now we need no replacement and I'll give you an extra day. I'm not giving more due to the game stalling out and having to prod half the player list.


If you need to send a pm saying V/LA I won't prod you then as an official one.

[gibus]

Tuxedo, I moved my vote. You aren't in L-2

[osuka]

@mod: are you opposed to giving us an extra day or two on d1 since we're still missing one replacement (I think) and I need to read through 25 pages?

Right now we need no replacement and I'll give you an extra day. I'm not giving more due to the game stalling out and having to prod half the player list.


If you need to send a pm saying V/LA I won't prod you then as an official one.

i suggest you learn how to read

here's a hint

Right now we need no replacement and I'll give you an extra day

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Civil Guys...But seriously in light of the replacements and the game getting to a state where there have been more replacements then ideally I want for a a day I can offer up another 24 hour period for you all. I don't want this day to run forever and have a repeat of 1996.

[gibus]

But longer days = more pandas

[Tuxedo Mask]

Spoiler: things the caught my eye

Wow, okay, not lurking. This feels like the landmines I was talking about, I was just putting out guesses. I voted you earlier because you asked me what pbf meant, it's a silly reason since someone explained rvs voting is usually non serious at first. I stuck with it because you're on my sus list, and I heard mafia are more likely to switch votes easily so I didn't want to be seen that way. Seems like in this game people get suspected either way though..

This feels very genuine newbie town. To me, newbie towns seem petrified of two things, being wrong and being lynched. So the fact they are so open about their fear of doing something wrong with their guesses reads genuine to me.

So unless someone gets lynched Day 1, we’d have to wait 10 whole irl days for Day 1 to end? That sounds.. bad for town honestly. Stirs up unnecessary arguments and wagons, probably mislynch someone in the end instead of waiting the time out.

I kind of agree, but I don't have a clear idea. Can someone tell me how D1 lynch is not a purely probabilistic kill?
What qualities can you find in someone's posts that give them a TR? And why can't a good mafia player not replicate said qualities?

If townreads are necessary to find connections between people if they flip scum, how can it not be a case of WIFOM? If it is, won't a lynch always be a purely probabilistic kill?

I don't know if there is a separate thread for this post, so I'm posting it here.

The bolded feels awkward, like going out of their to show they don't know about scum PT.

VOTE: gibus when will RVS end?

Didn't like what Gibus was doing here, but that's well-trodded ground. This is not a method for ending RVS.

Hola, also had some mafia history in other places. Have never played a mafia game which lasted this long tho. I don't get the vote for Votato so VOTE:

gibus

this is known as the RVS, or Random Vote Stage, where people vote for silly reasons to get the game started, and then we gradually progress to more serious posting as we get a few bandwagons going.

Fine, VOTE: votato

you shouldn't flipflop like that makes you look flaky

VOTE: imironcat

This is pretty misrepresentative. Very clearly they aren't flip-flopping but had a misunderstanding, and corrected themselves when it was explained.

It's funny how freddie is saying that filiiping is a mafia move - like that's the last thing they would do.
That being said, if I get killed tonight, investigate Lilith. I have a FOS on them.
It might be possible they would put the blame on Freddie.

The assumption they would NK'd is strange, and ir pinged me as LAMIST.

Regardless of experience, I find ironcat's interest in finding scum in contrast to your disinterest (#223). You've provided nothing useful to town in your ISO other than a three player scumread (#212) with no stance on it immediately after criticising my three player scumread.

VOTE: Formerfish

I don't agree with this vote. I'm unsure how FF had not demonstrated scumhunting here.

I mean I really hope you're a townsperson, and I'm sorry for voting you for so long if you are, but I just want to be sure.

Why are you sorry?!
I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia kept you till LyLo because of your trust.

This is either very astute and forward-thinking or a slip from ideas in scum thread. I know that's not super helpful, but I keep fliping on what way I feel about it.

Hola TOWN FOLKS! o/

Who's the biggest suspect if copykat flips out town?
If they're indeed mafia, who would you suspect next?

This seems like a really strange question at the time it was asked, super unprovoked. Something can certainly wait till day 2.

fish, i had no read on you other than noting how explosive you were. i subconsciously decided i would trying to avoid saying something that might get that reaction out of you because the noise is useless. i joined the game for fun, but your posts and your arrogance makes me wonder if you did the same. i am not sure how to read you and further at the moment - so at the very least its distracting and frustrating to have to read through it.

This reads really scummy to me. FF is definitely the type of player scum would like to avoid, and then to just attack their playstyle as well seems to discredit them more than anything. I really don't like it.

Anyhow, this analysis got me sure of my scum reads. Lilith and Fish.

Lilith cheaply jumps on any "leads" she can find. Such as the copykat slip and how I'm "bussing" fishyfriend. It's clear that her playstyle is scum.

Fish has shown themselves as town but thanks Lilith, it's clear that their interaction shows he's in her chat as well.

That being said, copy kat is town and so are the rest apart from these two that I've mentioned.

Too bad I can't question them but, what Lilith is listed as doing is called scum hunting. This accusation seems super basless. I don't know what the thing about Fish means, and the certainness in my slot being town with no explanation seems really sus.

Okay now that's a level of rudeness which is both totally unwarranted and completely inappropriate for thew Newbie Games section. Inb4 the entire game derails over this kind of thing or we get 4 replacements. The irony of someone saying J"flooding the thread with your vitriol" or "Why the fuck do i want to talk to you if this is how you react to a miscommunication." after accusing them of cunting up a thread is

If you're worried about stuff like this derailing the game why bring it up again? Like lilith didn't seem to pay it any mind and ended things nicely. Then to just drag it up all these pages later seems off. I don't trust the intention behind this.

Overall reads:

Town

Formerfish:Asking questions, advancing the game, and trying to solve. Say what you will about their playstyle, they have made genuine attempts throughout to make things more accommodating and palatable to town. In a few games when a player comes in with a polarizing playstyle, scum seem to be those who harp on it most.
Lilith: They also seems really focused on solving, and their thought process is easy to follow. Very open to the town and trying to progress the game. They seemed to have dropped off the map though.
Votato: Had a strong read at the start, but she's fallen off. She keeps saying she wants more information from my slot, but she's still slaked in other areas of the game. Hopefully, this can help push them forward. (in the first draft of this I kept calling you they, sorry. And Sorry if I slip up and don't catch it.)

Outside Town

Feahters/[line]The Nazi[/line]Nausi: Feathers was painted head to toe in the town colors, and had them as a solid read throughout the game. Nausi has diminished it slightly with moves I don't agree with.
Gibus: Gibus had a scummy start to the day, with the masons and the spam voting. All really derailed and added chaos to the game. Over the course of the day, their posting has improved, and I've gotten some good town pings from them. However, tinfoil hatty, that progression doesn't always feel super genuine and get paranoia they're just being heavily coached in scum PT.

Somewhere Else

IamIronCat/Osuka: Ironcat was a weird slot, scum read them pretty heavily, but Osuka hasn't done anything objectionable. And since I can't question Ironcat about their posts, I'm okay waiting on this one to get more content from. Besides I have better reads for now...

Scum Bums

Brass/Waversac: Started off okay then completely fell off and then seemed pretty frustrated at being questioned. Any number of things could explain it, but them sitting on my slot from daybreak tonight doesn't sit well with me. Neither does their response to Former Fish. The replacement hasn't done anything, hoping to hear from them soon.
Freddiethelady: Has just been active lurking this entire game, letting town just steer itself around and get tied in knots. Something is keeping this slot from playing, and I have a feeling it's because they're scum that doesn't know what to do.

I'd vote Freddie here, but I have a poor grasp of where the vote count is at.

@Gibus and Osuka: I know Gibus said they put me at L-2, but by my count it was L-1. I do agree that progressing the votes on my slot to either of those is very different levels of pressure.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Okay, I gotta go, be back to address anything in a few hours.

[gibus]

"I don't know if there is a separate thread for this post, so I'm posting it here."

The bolded feels awkward, like going out of their to show they don't know about scum PT.

I was mason before reroll, I know about PTs. By separate thread I meant a non-game thread to answer newbie questions

[Formerfish]

@mod: would you consider adding another day to d1 if people have trouble catching up? I don't need it and i hate to be that guy, but if people dont have a chance to properly discuss things on d1 because they replaced late that's really bad. of course that needs to be balanced with not stalling the game, since it looks like that could be a problem as well.

to be clear, not asking you to do anything right now - just want to know where your mind is at regarding a _possible_ second extension to the day.

So it's scummy of me to question why a replacement is getting piled on when they haven't caught up yet, but you're so town for asking for an extension to the day. Got it.