lange nonal 227 OHHH!!!! OHHH!!!!! ITS OVER OHHHHHH!!!! OHHH

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

Vote count 1.1

word321 (5):

Nahdia, Albert B. Rampage, Madonna, Aloratom, NorwegianboyEE

Madonna (3):

votato, word321, NDMath

ManateeDude (3):

Hoctac, midwaybear, popopopopopopo

votato (1):

stan1ey

Albert B. Rampage (1):

ManateeDude

Hoctac (1):

gobbledygook

NDMath (1):

farside22

farside22 (1):

bob3141

not voting (0):

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. day 1 ends may 31st at 12:55 central US time; in (expired on 2020-05-31 12:55:00)

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Schadd, is it possible for post restrictions on a normal?

no

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Word is probably town.

You’re not saying why.

We're masons.
Do I really need a reason why? Are you scumreading him?

He wasn't really in danger to warrant this.

This sounds off like a scumtell. Farside immediately reacts to Gobledygook's sketchy "mason claim" with a naive comment like she fully believes him to have mason claimed and outed his partner early day 1, when neither of Gobble/Word321 were in any imminent danger of being lynched. Farside, instead of staying suspicious about the dubious claim, immediately assumed Gobble did this from a town viewpoint. Which is how a scum that already knows who the mafia/town are would react in that situation.

[Hoctac]

silly. that comment from farside is entirely NAI. there's no motivation for scum!farside to fake taking a joke mason claim genuinely

[Hoctac]

oh, norwee has a better point maybe.

manatee, who's scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

there's no motivation for scum!farside to fake taking a joke mason claim genuinely

How do you know she was "faking" the act of taking the mason claim seriously?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Farside22
Still suspicious about Word321 and Hoptac. But this is spicy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mafia often assumes town is being honest to a fault. Which is how they trip up sometimes.

[word321]

Just a few more questions word.
Why was madona's vote the one that set you off? Have you ever seen a wagon just form with little reason's before in any of your games?
I'm going to touch a little about what I caught that bugged me.

In post 172, word321 wrote:

In post 162, midwaybear wrote:
yeah sure
however, I am a bit cautious. I don't really see anything too out of the blue with word's current posts compared to his standard town meta


This is both "gratuitous" and was umprompted; theres no reason to do this as scum, and constitutes my first somewhat serious tl.



It's not something I have seen you really say in your other games. It does read very forced as far as commentary goes.

About Madona:
There was a little misunderstanding on my part, it seems; the first time Ive read his comment on 191, I read it as "

Lamest thing ive seen so far (in my life, as in an hyperbole)

", but upon rereading it I see he meant "

Lamest thing Ive seen so far (as in up to the current state of the game)

". The first had a more alarmist nature; regardless of the above, I found particularly weak and forced on either case, as I was only confirming an info. What would I supposedly achieve with that? Specially if said info resulted in being false, wich he seems to have known beforehand.
And as for why that and not something else, it was scummy by its own right and was palpable, and felt particularly out at the time.

Regarding other similar wagons:
2 early wagons pop up in my mind. The first was the wagon on Mochi on 1999, a L-1 wagon on a 1-commentary player in a game with a rate of development of 1post/6hours; it easily crumbled afterwards and lead to the first real developments of the game.
The second was the wagon on me/clidd on 1997. This was heavily aided by outside influences of the game, as I had been force-replaced. It was almost entirely a tvt, and devolved in a fullblown stampede deadtunel wich would later shown to be on a jailor, and would monopolize the state of the game afterwards, even after D1. In this case, I havent practically participated in this, mind u; the full extent of it was on Clidd, my replacement of the game. I bet Votato still has PTSD on this, as he was one of the main proponents of the wagon.
The above was one of the main reasons for the wall post, specifically target to norwee (albeit to everyone else too, of course), cause I felt his tone similar to players there. But it seems he is right when he says Im just wasting my time on him.

Regarding midwaybear:
He had access to priviledged info; he knew without metadiving what had happened on 1997. He shared it when he could have withholded the info. Not only that; he was scum on 1997, and he was kind of complacent and somewhat distant on the whole wagon on clidd, so there is a starking contrast there (albeit I was just superficially following the game since my replacement). This by itself aint enough, again, to be conftown, but as far as a townlean goes, it is certainly one, to be remarked among other players.

PD: So many things happened while writing this

[word321]

oh

TRECKO MY BOY WHAT HAVE U DONE!
How can I call u trecko now?
Turtwig still best initial pokemon too.

[word321]

this is contradictory

He was addressing my inquiry on my wallpost, thats why it begins with "word, "

[Hoctac]

<3

i don't mind being called treecko for this game

[ManateeDude]

ok fine
besides you, I agree with hoctac. Don't really like why Albert is fine with letting others decide his vote

I see youre very quick to drop opinions. Noted

But really.

VOTE: word

What is your reason for scum reading word?

Hi bob!

Spoiler:

It's not so much a scum read as a vote for all that is good in the world.

This reads as deflectiony and I still think you should flesh out your reasoning more.

I feel like manatee's explanation doesn't make sense which is why my vote is still o him

I dont see the scum intention behind my post either way?

Because you're wearing shades. In the damn water.

Im confused abt what this means

oh, norwee has a better point maybe.

manatee, who's scum?

Like I stated before I don't like how quick midway was to drop their opinion on me but I'm not sure how to read into it. Otherwise im kind of stuck but im gonna look into the word wagon and its reasoning though I do think that large wall of his was definetly very towny

[farside22]

So what woudl you ahve done then farside in teh two situations

one where gooble inst fake claiming

two where gooble is genuine
?

Also why did you want to dig as to what teh claim was. Did you think it could be scum fake claiming mason. And if so why do did you think that farside?

Town fake claim more often then scum.
Is there are reason you keep posting with incorrect spelling?

I think Word is probably town.

You’re not saying why.

We're masons.
Do I really need a reason why? Are you scumreading him?

He wasn't really in danger to warrant this.

This sounds off like a scumtell. Farside immediately reacts to Gobledygook's sketchy "mason claim" with a naive comment like she fully believes him to have mason claimed and outed his partner early day 1, when neither of Gobble/Word321 were in any imminent danger of being lynched. Farside, instead of staying suspicious about the dubious claim, immediately assumed Gobble did this from a town viewpoint. Which is how a scum that already knows who the mafia/town are would react in that situation.

That was why I put a neutral face and said I half thought the claim was fake. Am I having to repeat myself. Again it is the player associated with the claim that gives me pause. You can talk around that and hypothesis to your hearts delight but I already explain why I felt it was more truthful then not.
If you want to tell me why you think I'm lying about my reason and give examples of how I typically take claims from player then we could debate this further.
It is by the way NAI for me.

[ManateeDude]

Anyways im going to do my homework but I'll be happy to talk when im back

[farside22]

So what woudl you ahve done then farside in teh two situations

one where gooble inst fake claiming

two where gooble is genuine
?

Also why did you want to dig as to what teh claim was. Did you think it could be scum fake claiming mason. And if so why do did you think that farside?

I'm just holding onto this because the more I read this the less sense it makes. It reads like a trap question where no response is a good response.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Again it is the player associated with the claim that gives me pause.

Thoughts on this @Gobledygook?
Does this sound legitimate coming from Farside? (I don't really know the player)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I almost know none of the players here very well to be fair. That's actually one of the big reasons i joined this game. Because i wanted to see how i would fare in a game with few familiar faces.
So don't expect meta arguments from me. I'm going by-this-game-basis only.

[midwaybear]

I see youre very quick to drop opinions. Noted

not really because I hard tunnel sometimes
just gave you the benefit of the doubt.

[farside22]

Again it is the player associated with the claim that gives me pause.

Thoughts on this @Gobledygook?
Does this sound legitimate coming from Farside? (I don't really know the player)

I almost know none of the players here very well to be fair. That's actually one of the big reasons i joined this game. Because i wanted to see how i would fare in a game with few familiar faces.
So don't expect meta arguments from me. I'm going by-this-game-basis only.

Gobble seems to be changing playstyles every time I've played with him. It's not easy to get a read on him because of it. Unfortunately I have only one game (doubles mafia) where he was mason I could give, the rest I can't discuss. He played more in that game with tricking mafia with asking players or accuse players of being possible mason with another player that flipped, but he was the mason.
Word didn't say anything about the claim, which I found interesting.

I'll try to lay off meta arguments the best I can. Not really good at it because some reads come from knowing a player.

[bob3141]

So what woudl you ahve done then farside in teh two situations

one where gooble inst fake claiming

two where gooble is genuine
?

Also why did you want to dig as to what teh claim was. Did you think it could be scum fake claiming mason. And if so why do did you think that farside?

Town fake claim more often then scum.
Is there are reason you keep posting with incorrect spelling?

I think Word is probably town.

You’re not saying why.

We're masons.
Do I really need a reason why? Are you scumreading him?

He wasn't really in danger to warrant this.

This sounds off like a scumtell. Farside immediately reacts to Gobledygook's sketchy "mason claim" with a naive comment like she fully believes him to have mason claimed and outed his partner early day 1, when neither of Gobble/Word321 were in any imminent danger of being lynched. Farside, instead of staying suspicious about the dubious claim, immediately assumed Gobble did this from a town viewpoint. Which is how a scum that already knows who the mafia/town are would react in that situation.

That was why I put a neutral face and said I half thought the claim was fake. Am I having to repeat myself. Again it is the player associated with the claim that gives me pause. You can talk around that and hypothesis to your hearts delight but I already explain why I felt it was more truthful then not.
If you want to tell me why you think I'm lying about my reason and give examples of how I typically take claims from player then we could debate this further.
It is by the way NAI for me.

farside you didnt answer my question.

And if you thought gooble was fake claiming why did you want to expose it. If as you say town fake claim more than scum. What do you feel was your town motivation in trying to expose gooble as a faking claiming if you thought he was more likely to be town.

what is your read on gooble?



There called typos. Not incorrect spelling.

[word321]

actually after checking some meta the word wagon is fine

I don’t like this

VOTE: Hoctac

Why dnt u like this? Whats ur take on Trecko?

[farside22]

So what woudl you ahve done then farside in teh two situations

one where gooble inst fake claiming

two where gooble is genuine
?

Also why did you want to dig as to what teh claim was. Did you think it could be scum fake claiming mason. And if so why do did you think that farside?

I'm just holding onto this because the more I read this the less sense it makes. It reads like a trap question where no response is a good response.

[midwaybear]

actually after checking some meta the word wagon is fine

I don’t like this

VOTE: Hoctac

Why dnt u like this? Whats ur take on Trecko?

His meta defense made no sense. He said that he found you to be natural in your past games, but then said that you were less natural in this game. First of all, most people found you to be more formal in your posting style not natural. Second, if you are playing different from your meta, how can he like your defense?

[farside22]

So what woudl you ahve done then farside in teh two situations

one where gooble inst fake claiming

two where gooble is genuine
?

Also why did you want to dig as to what teh claim was. Did you think it could be scum fake claiming mason. And if so why do did you think that farside?

Town fake claim more often then scum.
Is there are reason you keep posting with incorrect spelling?

I think Word is probably town.

You’re not saying why.

We're masons.
Do I really need a reason why? Are you scumreading him?

He wasn't really in danger to warrant this.

This sounds off like a scumtell. Farside immediately reacts to Gobledygook's sketchy "mason claim" with a naive comment like she fully believes him to have mason claimed and outed his partner early day 1, when neither of Gobble/Word321 were in any imminent danger of being lynched. Farside, instead of staying suspicious about the dubious claim, immediately assumed Gobble did this from a town viewpoint. Which is how a scum that already knows who the mafia/town are would react in that situation.

That was why I put a neutral face and said I half thought the claim was fake. Am I having to repeat myself. Again it is the player associated with the claim that gives me pause. You can talk around that and hypothesis to your hearts delight but I already explain why I felt it was more truthful then not.
If you want to tell me why you think I'm lying about my reason and give examples of how I typically take claims from player then we could debate this further.
It is by the way NAI for me.

farside you didnt answer my question.

And if you thought gooble was fake claiming why did you want to expose it. If as you say town fake claim more than scum. What do you feel was your town motivation in trying to expose gooble as a faking claiming if you thought he was more likely to be town.

what is your read on gooble?



There called typos. Not incorrect spelling.

A very endless of bad questions.

I don't respond I'm scum. I do respond I'm scum. Why respond at all that makes you scum. That is how all your questions are reading to me.
How can anyone get a read off a player with 2 post and say yes that is town! would be lying. If I say null then I have to explain once again what I say I typically see from mafia and how players behave.
One trap question after another from you. All why ignoring a large part of the game.
Are you a tunnel type?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And if you thought gooble was fake claiming why did you want to expose it. If as you say town fake claim more than scum. What do you feel was your town motivation in trying to expose gooble as a faking claiming if you thought he was more likely to be town.

My problem with Farside's comment is that i can either perceive it as Farside trying to score town points by chastising Gobledygook for presumedly mason claiming early.
Or they legitimately believed Gobledygook and was taken back by the early claim. Ignoring the fact that all logic points to the claim being very fake.

Neither of which look very good or coming from town motivation.

The only remaining explanation is that they believe Gobbledygook to always be honest for meta related reasons. (Something Gobble would need to confirm for me.) That might be the answer i'd like the best but i'm not sure i'm buying it yet.