Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Formerfish]

Toe pick

[Formerfish]

VOTE: CopyKat (Tuxedo Mask)
Back at L-2

Why the pressure on the newbie? Kinda of a dick move to let him get his toe in the pool before beaning him in the nuts with the ball.

This post does not come from town

You’re either trying to pocket tuxedo or trying to defend a scum partner

@mod: would you consider adding another day to d1 if people have trouble catching up? I don't need it and i hate to be that guy, but if people dont have a chance to properly discuss things on d1 because they replaced late that's really bad. of course that needs to be balanced with not stalling the game, since it looks like that could be a problem as well.

to be clear, not asking you to do anything right now - just want to know where your mind is at regarding a _possible_ second extension to the day.

The fucking balls on you to post these on the same page...

[votato]

i dont follow, fishy

[Formerfish]

Tux hasn't had a chance to catch up yet, so when Gib voted that slot to l-2 I balked. Osuka said that my balking never comes from town and that I'm scum for doing that.

10 posts later osuka calls for an extension to the day, to let the replacements get caught up.

Why say I'm scum for saying the same thing they did, but in a different way?

[Formerfish]

@mod: would you consider adding another day to d1 if people have trouble catching up? I don't need it and i hate to be that guy, but if people dont have a chance to properly discuss things on d1 because they replaced late that's really bad. of course that needs to be balanced with not stalling the game, since it looks like that could be a problem as well.

to be clear, not asking you to do anything right now - just want to know where your mind is at regarding a _possible_ second extension to the day.

This is nothing but a LAMIST post...

[Formerfish]

"Hey guys I super care about everyone being caught up and knowing what's going on in the game."

[votato]

Hey guys I super care about everyone being caught up and knowing what's going on in the game. lets work together and lynch those evil scum. i really hope town wins this! dang gone it those scum are baddies. i hate them.

[Formerfish]

[osuka]

"Hey guys I super care about everyone being caught up and knowing what's going on in the game."

i mean that's just in thebest interest of the game. I've played games as scum where the game stalled and I won, but there's really not a lot of fun in that. kinda defeats the purpose of playing the game

[Formerfish]

VOTE: CopyKat (Tuxedo Mask)
Back at L-2

Why the pressure on the newbie? Kinda of a dick move to let him get his toe in the pool before beaning him in the nuts with the ball.

This post does not come from town

You’re either trying to pocket tuxedo or trying to defend a scum partner

@mod: would you consider adding another day to d1 if people have trouble catching up? I don't need it and i hate to be that guy, but if people dont have a chance to properly discuss things on d1 because they replaced late that's really bad. of course that needs to be balanced with not stalling the game, since it looks like that could be a problem as well.

to be clear, not asking you to do anything right now - just want to know where your mind is at regarding a _possible_ second extension to the day.

The fucking balls on you to post these on the same page...

[osuka]

VOTE: CopyKat (Tuxedo Mask)
Back at L-2

Why the pressure on the newbie? Kinda of a dick move to let him get his toe in the pool before beaning him in the nuts with the ball.

This post does not come from town

You’re either trying to pocket tuxedo or trying to defend a scum partner

@mod: would you consider adding another day to d1 if people have trouble catching up? I don't need it and i hate to be that guy, but if people dont have a chance to properly discuss things on d1 because they replaced late that's really bad. of course that needs to be balanced with not stalling the game, since it looks like that could be a problem as well.

to be clear, not asking you to do anything right now - just want to know where your mind is at regarding a _possible_ second extension to the day.

The fucking balls on you to post these on the same page...

there's nothing inherently wrong with defending a sub - or a newbie, for that matter. the problem is with how you did it and how you handled it after someone else disagreed

asking for extra time is also most definitely not the same as defending a slot simply because someone just subbed into it. nice misrep though

[osuka]

thanks for the repeated compliments about my balls though. those are much appreciated

[Formerfish]

You asked for time so people could catch up, I said that it was shitty to vote tux to l-2 because he hadn't caught up.

How are those things different?

[osuka]

You asked for time so people could catch up, I said that it was shitty to vote tux to l-2 because he hadn't caught up.

How are those things different?

how are they the same? What does voting have to do with asking for extra time?

[Formerfish]

The person being voted for had stated they weren't caught up yet and needed more time.

You asked the mod for more time so the replacements could be sure to catch up.

How are those different? You're trying to play a sematical word game with me right now while avoiding the meat of what I'm asking.

If you want to quibble over specific words while dodging the question that is a choice you could make, but be sure that people will see you deflect and dodge.

[osuka]

i'm not quibbling over words. I'm saying that what you did and what I did aren't the same and particularly, the

way

you did what you did and handled yourself when prompted was the primary reason for concern

to elaborate, 758 is weird but it is an order of magnitude retroactively more weird after 762

[Elmo TeH AzN]

But longer days = more pandas

You get more panda's no matter how long the days run. Also I'm keeping eyes on this game and progress and how the replacement are handling. As it looks I'm going to keep the deadline where it is in 3 days.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 1.10

Osuka (1)

- lilith2013,

Tuxedo Mask (Copykat) (2)

-votato, Nauci,

Freddiethelady (1)

- osuka

Wavesarc (Brassherald) (2)

- Formerfish, gibus,

Nauci (feathers) (1)

- Wavesarc

Not Voting (2) -

CopyKat, Freddiethelady,

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Im 99% sure this is right.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-05-21 11:05:00)

[lilith2013]

Will catch up after I finish work for the day.

[Nauci]

IT IS MISREP O'CLOCK FELLAS

I don't think votato did it intentionally to be fair?

But you're saying that you asked us to not end the game day early by lynching right after replacements came in, while he was giving gibus shit for just

pressuring

a slot that replaced? (While he's pressuring a slot which was replaced?)

[Nauci]

If you're worried about stuff like this derailing the game why bring it up again? Like lilith didn't seem to pay it any mind and ended things nicely. Then to just drag it up all these pages later seems off. I don't trust the intention behind this.

Because it's a deeply anti town action and against Newbie atmosphere which affected more people than Lilith and was not at all reprimanded at the time. It's impossible to know if Freddie is genuinely afraid of interacting with Formerfish or if it's a faked reaction because there's every bit of genuine reason to do feel that way.

It's not derailing if the point is to prevent it from happening again; my worries about derailing was that the rest of the game might be like that

[Nauci]

So it's scummy of me to question why a replacement is getting piled on when they haven't caught up yet

Okay but like I've talked about my case on the slot many times

[Nauci]

I'm like pretty dang afraid of the game stalling; the one newbie game I ran was a total nightmare of replacements because of 2 aggro players driving everyone nuts and the extensions I gave for replacements to catch up were excessive and everyone lost interest

It was agonizingly pulled to the finish line

So with nearly 3 days left, I agree that deadline should stay where it is, but I don't think we should lynch in the next 24-36 hours no matter what

@tuxedo: does your reads list rearrange at all once you factor in the things you maybe misinterpreted?

[wavesarc]

Rereading the game start/RVS (through post 111)

Ok, so my general line of thought is that scum, especially newbies playing scum, are going to be cautious more likely than not.

gibus and votato seem much more comfortable playing than freddie. As in, they're more willing to post off the cuff than freddie--who seems naturally reserved/getting used to the game. I think newer players start off overthinking their posts a bit (tone tends to be calculated/forced neutral) and grow out of this as they become more comfortable. All this to say: Freddie seems reserved/cautious, but I don’t think it’s scummy.

Feathers has to be town right? If they’re scum, they were being coached because how else do you explain post 76 and [quote="In post 83. Even then, I don’t think scum would want to attract that much attention to their partner.

I *do* get brassherald’s issue with feathers, because they seem almost too good to be true? Like straight up understanding none of the rules and stuff like post 111 where they’re like “oh I’ve been reading guides on how to play!” They seem so eager…and then they replace out? But only my slot suspected them, and that wagon wasn’t going to gain traction, so it doesn’t really track that scum!feathers would replace out. Town!feathers makes more sense.

[wavesarc]

Anyway VOTE: Unvote