Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[osuka]

@everyone that is townreading votato: why?

VOTE: votato btw

what on earth? where did

this

come from?

[osuka]

freddie is confscum by the way

[lilith2013]

I don't like his behavior around the gibus wagon--he's scumreading copykat at this point, but doesn't vote for her until the momentum shifts from gibus to her.

It fits into his pattern of behavior so far this game--his posts lack content, and really a lot of his early stuff was just answering questions. I agree that the townreading questioning is something scum could be afraid to do, but I also don't think it's a big risk--it's just a lot of WIFOM tbh. I think votato's general vibe has been pretty cheeky and that he would be comfortable saying something like that.

Oh I didn’t notice the delay in votato voting copykat until after brass did. The other thing I noticed was that the game was getting caught up on this whole mason thing and votato tried to move the game forward and get everyone away from continuing to talk about who (if anyone) were masons, and I thought that wasn’t something scum would do. I’m going to ISO him again and see if I agree that he hasn’t really been trying to progress the game otherwise.

[lilith2013]

freddie is confscum by the way

Sorry what when did this happen?

[Tuxedo Mask]

hahahah I was thinking to myself, ironcat reads as town before I realized that's my fucking slot

what a day

Can you explain what you town reading about Ironcat's posts?

gibus does not read mafia right now but I'd love to hear your reasons as to why freddie is town

What do you think of the defenses for Freddie raised? Also can you explain your scum read of Freddie? I see the vote on a post you call scummy, but that was a super early post. Anything else?

[lilith2013]

Spoiler: formerfish’s 837

UNVOTE: fish

Here Gib unvotes me.

Fish, what do you think about copykat?

Then asks me how i feel about Copy/Tux

VOTE: CopyKat (Tuxedo Mask)
Back at L-2

Almost immediately votes Tux back to l-2 with no reasoning given.

So I wonder to myself, "Hey dickhead, when did gib ever mention a sr on copy? Put down the bowl and iso this muppet."

So i did, and found this as being the most recent read on copy, a nice blue town lean.

My read list right now from town to scum

[gibus, votato, feathers]

[CopyKat, ironcat]

[brassherald, Freddie]

[Formerfish, lilith2013]

CopyKat -> His initial townread on votato made sense. I like how he hopped on to my wagon when I made an unclear post which could've been seen as a scum slip without hesitation. He hasn't been anti-town in any of his posts. He hasn't been here for long so with the current information I put him in blue.

ironcat -> His paranoia in RVS strikes me as town. I don't agree with his recent list (#368) but his ISO seems to me like he is trying to help as town (apart from his fights). I didn't know about "bussing", and since I scumread fish, I townread ironcat a little bit more.

brassherald -> I'm neutral because he hasn't posted much and I don't like how he voted copykat for hopping on the wagon (I found copykat's reason sensible) while he hopped onto my wagon because my posts seem "off".

Freddie -> I have't seen much of him. Hence neutral.

Formerfish -> #227 for scumread.

lilith2013 -> I didn't like your interaction with fish. You didn't mention any of his posts in your recap (#351) and you accuse him of first throwing shade on your slot and then WhiteKnighting you, neither of which I think he did (I didn't see #412 when I posted this, I take this back. I now put you in yellow.). I also disagree with #372, where you hop on the copykat wagon because he hopped on my wagon (sensible reason).

Huh, where did that vote on copy even come from?

Interested to see gibus’ response to this and I think this is probably a town line of questioning/thought from formerfish, calling out inconsistency in reads

[Formerfish]

I think this is

probably

a town line of questioning/thought from formerfish

ftfy, and thank you for picking up on that post, i was starting to think i was being ignored since so many people are posting and no one seems to care about that fantastic post of mine.

[Nauci]

I think votato's general vibe has been pretty cheeky

I'm not seeing that this game, at least not compared to other votato games.

[Nauci]

feathers at the beginning

I disagree about this being low hanging fruit since many players were town reading feathers. I think that's a major mischaracterization.

[Nauci]

The other thing I noticed was that the game was getting caught up on this whole mason thing and votato tried to move the game forward and get everyone away from continuing to talk about who (if anyone) were masons, and I thought that wasn’t something scum would do.

Hmm. At first I was kind of just noticing that the posts were all IIOA, including those, because it's common knowledge to not do setup speculation, but I vibe with this point about those posts. Especially now that I'm not reading all of the IIOA posts over 3 days in a single sit down.

[Nauci]

I think this is

probably

a town line of questioning/thought from formerfish

ftfy, and thank you for picking up on that post, i was starting to think i was being ignored since so many people are posting and no one seems to care about that fantastic post of mine.

I thought it was a great post but since you were already well in my town reads I didn't feel the need to comment on it, especially before Gibus had the chance to answer. I'm still town reading Gibus though.

[Formerfish]

I think votato's general vibe has been pretty cheeky

I'm not seeing that this game, at least not compared to other votato games.

I see it, but i dig it since it reminds me of me, so basically id do me.

[Freddiethelady]

I think votato's general vibe has been pretty cheeky

I'm not seeing that this game, at least not compared to other votato games.

I see it, but i dig it since it reminds me of me, so basically id do me.

lucky you

[Freddiethelady]

freddie is confscum by the way

what makes you say that?

[gibus]

UNVOTE: fish

Here Gib unvotes me.

Fish, what do you think about copykat?

Then asks me how i feel about Copy/Tux

VOTE: CopyKat (Tuxedo Mask)
Back at L-2

Almost immediately votes Tux back to l-2 with no reasoning given.

So I wonder to myself, "Hey dickhead, when did gib ever mention a sr on copy? Put down the bowl and iso this muppet."

So i did, and found this as being the most recent read on copy, a nice blue town lean.

My read list right now from town to scum

[gibus, votato, feathers]

[CopyKat, ironcat]

[brassherald, Freddie]

[Formerfish, lilith2013]

CopyKat -> His initial townread on votato made sense. I like how he hopped on to my wagon when I made an unclear post which could've been seen as a scum slip without hesitation. He hasn't been anti-town in any of his posts. He hasn't been here for long so with the current information I put him in blue.

ironcat -> His paranoia in RVS strikes me as town. I don't agree with his recent list (#368) but his ISO seems to me like he is trying to help as town (apart from his fights). I didn't know about "bussing", and since I scumread fish, I townread ironcat a little bit more.

brassherald -> I'm neutral because he hasn't posted much and I don't like how he voted copykat for hopping on the wagon (I found copykat's reason sensible) while he hopped onto my wagon because my posts seem "off".

Freddie -> I have't seen much of him. Hence neutral.

Formerfish -> #227 for scumread.

lilith2013 -> I didn't like your interaction with fish. You didn't mention any of his posts in your recap (#351) and you accuse him of first throwing shade on your slot and then WhiteKnighting you, neither of which I think he did (I didn't see #412 when I posted this, I take this back. I now put you in yellow.). I also disagree with #372, where you hop on the copykat wagon because he hopped on my wagon (sensible reason).

Huh, where did that vote on copy even come from?

I agree that I've been inconsistent on copy's slot. On reading his ISO again (copy's newer posts included) I moved him away from blue and voted for him. The initial townread on him may have been influenced by his townread on me, and that was a naive mistake from my part.

I asked you for your view on copy's slot (twice) because you've

never had a read on him

in your entire ISO (you did point out the inconsistency of my view on copy but not copy's view on votato?). I feel like you were hinting at a specific line of reasoning (why I moved my vote over to brass apart from giving the replacement more time) so I'll be quiet about it.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Hey Freddie, wanna answer the questions I addressed do you?

[Tuxedo Mask]

I agree that I've been inconsistent on copy's slot. On reading his ISO again (copy's newer posts included) I moved him away from blue and voted for him. The initial townread on him may have been influenced by his townread on me, and that was a naive mistake from my part.

Would you like to elaborate on that read? Why it changed, and what posts stick out?

[lilith2013]

The initial townread on him may have been influenced by his townread on me, and that was a naive mistake from my part.

? But you originally said you were townreading him because he voted you. Where did copykat say he was townreading you that influenced your read on him?

[gibus]

#514
#521
#562

The initial townread on him may have been influenced by his townread on me, and that was a naive mistake from my part.

? But you originally said you were townreading him because he voted you. Where did copykat say he was townreading you that influenced your read on him?

#238

[Tuxedo Mask]

Yes, those are quotes, but can you explain what makes them scummy?

So Frieddie was was just Prodging.

[Formerfish]

freddie is confscum by the way

what makes you say that?

Is this close enough to "Why me" for us to fry him?

[Freddiethelady]

"Do you think that Formerfish would have hopped off of the wagon to attack the person who left the wagon just before him whether it was your or Lilith interchangeably?"

@nauci that was what I was trying to figure out. I explained why i unvoted ironcat and fishy immediately abandoned his suspicions of ironcat to vote me. i really didn't know what to make of that, except that he wasn't committed to his vote, or he and his scumbuddy were just trying to lynch anyone...i suspect a sloppy move like that it would be a newbie thing to do, but fishy is obviously not newbie so it leaves the alternative. am i missing something?

[Freddiethelady]

freddie is confscum by the way

what makes you say that?

Is this close enough to "Why me" for us to fry him?

I bet you're hoping it is.

[Formerfish]

@nauci that was what I was trying to figure out. I explained why i unvoted ironcat and fishy immediately abandoned his suspicions of ironcat to vote me. i really didn't know what to make of that, except that he wasn't committed to his vote

I didn't abandon anything, I moved from someone I'd pushed pretty hard to someone else I needed to sort.

And the punch of you saying that I wasn't committed to my vote when you are talking about unvoting yourself is a bit of a misstep.

[Formerfish]

freddie is confscum by the way

what makes you say that?

Is this close enough to "Why me" for us to fry him?

I bet you're hoping it is.

Oh you, I bet you say that to all townies trying to see your scum butt hang.