Mini Normal 2135 (Endgame)

[Persivul]

I mean, look at puppy. He's misrepping me. He's misrepping una. He put a town read on prana with the flimsiest of reasoning. I don't need to solve the entire game around him in order to scum read him.

[Tanner]

Tanner, you're making yourself crazy. We don't need to solve the game today. We flip prana today. That's more information, and likely still a mislynch in hand. Scum kill someone tonight. That's more information. It's just a game. Relax.

You have a point, and you're not the first person to tell me this.

I just signed up for haunted mansion in the open queue. It's a pretty neat setup.

You actually didn't. It's a secret alts game, you were supposed to PM the mod.

[Tanner]

Right, sorry. I genuinely appreciate the concern.

I'll be hammering in some 24-36 hours I guess, we're slowly getting to deadline anyway.

[PranaDevil]

Fuck me... I've seen some dumbass stuff before... but seriously?

"We don't need to solve the game today... so let's do fuck all" - Persi 2020.

[CantHateAPuppy]

I mean, look at puppy. He's misrepping me. He's misrepping una. He put a town read on prana with the flimsiest of reasoning. I don't need to solve the entire game around him in order to scum read him.

i am not misrepping u and my town read is not flimsy

u said urself that u were partly reading prana as scum because he rolled scum a lot and u were worried about that. Do i have to write an essaj on 50 pages of game material to note that this is bad and tunneling?

honestly i kind of get where prana is coming from now,

[CantHateAPuppy]

towncore is talking about signing up for another game in this thread. i don't know how to put a positive spin on this

sorry guys, i tried, please don't blame me when town cocks it up and my mislynch ends in a bad loss

[CantHateAPuppy]

Tanner, you're making yourself crazy. We don't need to solve the game today. We flip prana today. That's more information, and

likely still a mislynch in hand.

Scum kill someone tonight. That's more information. It's just a game. Relax.

[PranaDevil]

It's been all game Puppy. So it's very easy for scum to coast on through. Persivul has his blinkers on, hes right, nobody else matters, planning for a worst case scenario doesn't matter, and if he fucks up "oh well, just a game, lol".

He ruins the game for everyone else with that attitude. Why should I give a toss about any game I'm in with Persi when I know he won't put actual effort in, because "it's just a game".

People play this to win. Persi clearly isn't interested in winning or losing, thus plays anti-town.

Any game with a player like that in is a shit game. He doesn't care if anyone else wants to play the game properly, merely that he does what he wants.

[CantHateAPuppy]

prana, please tell me it would be wasting my time iso'ing persi and/or tanner

Please tell me it's a waste of time, i shouldn't outthink the setup, and it's just bad town not deep game scum

i don't want to reskim 60 pages just to feel more confidant in what looks like the obvious conclusion

[CantHateAPuppy]

Tanner, you're making yourself crazy. We don't need to solve the game today. We flip prana today. That's more information, and

likely still a mislynch in hand.

Scum kill someone tonight. That's more information. It's just a game. Relax.

[CantHateAPuppy]

why is there an "ascetic encryptor" as a guilty for a 1x rolecop if the mod knew there were going to be two millers and the rolecop would obviously check one

[PranaDevil]

Would love to. But I would be lying if I didn't think it was an elaborate bluff by them.

Do I think it actually is? No, I don't think popo attacks a scum partner yesterday. Popo could have easily caled out someone else, or claimed Doc to see if there was a counter claim. Scum-popo doesn6try and lynch scum-Persi.

Tanner could have been budding Persi all game. Persi clearly has an ego he wants massaged.

I still stand by Knight/Una

And Puppy, Persi clearly is talking like I'm scum, thus theres a mislynch left to go. Before Lylo. Much as I would love to call him scum for it.

[CantHateAPuppy]

no, no no no no no

i am overthinking this, there are two scum and popo did not bus his scummate with a tracker guilty

[CantHateAPuppy]

Would love to. But I would be lying if I didn't think it was an elaborate bluff by them.

Do I think it actually is? No, I don't think popo attacks a scum partner yesterday. Popo could have easily caled out someone else, or claimed Doc to see if there was a counter claim. Scum-popo doesn6try and lynch scum-Persi.

Tanner could have been budding Persi all game. Persi clearly has an ego he wants massaged.

I still stand by Knight/Una

And Puppy, Persi clearly is talking like I'm scum, thus theres a mislynch left to go. Before Lylo. Much as I would love to call him scum for it.

read the quote again, persi is clearly saying that there's a mislynch

after

u flip today

the only way that doesnt look weird to u is if u are scum and know ur lunch will give us another mislunch

[PranaDevil]

Fuck me, my phone autocorrect everywhere, and I fat finger half the words... pretty sure you can all work that out though.

And no Puppy, there can only be another mislynch if I flip scum. Person believes I'm scum, thus he believes there's the chance to miss scum tomorrow.

He's wrong, but that is not a scum slip.

[CantHateAPuppy]

i can't get this out of my head now

someone last page told me that popo was the obvious D3 lynch and that's the most plausible reason why he claimed tracker with a gulity on persi

"that could not possibly be a bus, i am overthinking it" please tell me this

[CantHateAPuppy]

Why would popo fake tracker if he only had one partner? Even if he lynched Persi yesterday he'd have to know that he'd be lynched next, that doesn't make sense except with three scum

popo was on L-1 already and it was very very likely he was gonna get lynched. a successful gambit like that would've at least earned him a mislynch and another night. it was a desperate hail-mary.[/quote]


OK, this is what i was remembering. this is fine. there is no way that scum being lunched would have gambitted with a guilty on his partner

right?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Okay. I dont see much else needed.
Scum reads:

red panda, luca, knight/persivul

.

Im more confident of my rd scum read. I may expect better from persivul so my scum read maybe bias.

Vote: drew

I don't see people ending the wifom for drew.

why did scum kill the innocent child N2 and farside N1

she named the luca slot, would scum kill over just one right read? was it persi or knight?

[CantHateAPuppy]

no, no no no no no no no

it's too late to do this, i am going to sleep and when i wake up this will all just be another stupid wifom paranoia nonsense maneuver

[PranaDevil]

Puppy, put it this way.

Even if you are right, and Persi is scum... this town isn't letting that lynch go through. So it's not worth your brain power.

You or Una is scum.

So tomorrow, you vote Una, Una votes you, and everyone else makes their mind up between you.

Either town lynch scum, or they lose.

If they lynch scum, they can have another go with the trio of Tanner, George and Knightmare.

The only way any of that changes is if Persi is scum.

Even then... Tanner AND Persi aren't scum who bus popo. So Persi would be scum with Puppy or Una.

Wither way, Una or Puppy need lynching tomorrow, it's the only logical lynch.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Puppy, put it this way.

Even if you are right, and Persi is scum... this town isn't letting that lynch go through. So it's not worth your brain power.

You or Una is scum.

So tomorrow, you vote Una, Una votes you, and everyone else makes their mind up between you.

Either town lynch scum, or they lose.

If they lynch scum, they can have another go with the trio of Tanner, George and Knightmare.

The only way any of that changes is if Persi is scum.

Even then... Tanner AND Persi aren't scum who bus popo. So Persi would be scum with Puppy or Una.

Wither way, Una or Puppy need lynching tomorrow, it's the only logical lynch.

no, this doesn't make sense

if scum is between me/una, then who is the scum bussing popo? someone has to be scum on the popo wagon

if it's not u then i need ur take on who is the scum on the popo wagon

i don't get this from ur pov at all

[CantHateAPuppy]

This is really simple.

1. Two millers in a mini normal is extremely unlikely.
2. We had a miller claim.
3. We had a counter claim.
4. We lynch the first claim today.

5. If that lynch flips miller, we lynch the counter claim tomorrow.

Let's not overthink this.

how can persi believe this if he is going to role cop the second miller that night?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Scum reads: red panda, luca, knight/persivul.

I just read farside's ISO. I see no PR crumbs, so she was presumably killed for her reads. She scum read saladman. He was replaced by panda. She scum read panda and said she was most confident in that read. Panda looks really bad on page 23.

VOTE: Red Panda

it's too late i'm in the rabbit hole now

[PranaDevil]

Puppy, there are two scum left.

One is between you and Una. One is between Tanner, George and Knightmare.

Stop posting drivel.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Conftown

Wake88

- IC doing nothing

mavsfan41

- by my understanding of normal millers, he's IC to me. I considered the way far out there idea that a scum universal backup could have made a great play there, but reading up it seems that normal UBs only inherit roles from their own faction. So, I think it's mechanically impossible for him to be scum considering normal rules and my result.

Town

(No particular order within a group)

Riabi

- When I went to make this list, I knew this guy had posted somewhat but couldn't remember what he said. That's usually a bad sign, but I read his ISO, and it looks fine.

Tanner

Knightmare491

Null

UnaBombaH
PranaDevil
GeorgeBailey

These three have all managed to put up a lot of words without really saying much at all. Not the Una I'm used to.

Luca Blight

- Had him in scum initially due to farside's read, but read his ISO and I'm not so sure. If salad slot flips red, 366 might mean luca slot is green. Scum usually aren't so obviously together in reads that early.

Scum

Red Panda

Saladman27

Okay, can we lynch popo now?

Prana and popo are both in my scum pool. Those are the leading wagons and the game has stalled, so good chance they're both scum.

VOTE: popopopopo

L-1

persi has luca -> popo as his next scumread after popo

but only finally votes for popo when that wagon is at L-2 and on D3 when they could have worked out a plot before