Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

Formerfish · Post Post #875 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:34 pm

Toe pick

votato · Post Post #876 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:35 pm

hmm i havent gone back to re-read the ISO on gibus. but my memory doesnt ping me. If people are really serious about that wagon ill go reread, but I think its not an optimal lynch for today. If gibus is scum i fully anticipate being able to figure it out with a high degree of confidence well before lylo. i think my lynchpool atm is copykat/tuxedo or ironcat/osuka. I could maybe be persuaded about lilith (maybe), or formerfish (probably not today though).

Tuxedo Mask · Post Post #877 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:36 pm

In post 871, Freddiethelady wrote:"Do you think that Formerfish would have hopped off of the wagon to attack the person who left the wagon just before him whether it was your or Lilith interchangeably?"

@nauci that was what I was trying to figure out. I explained why i unvoted ironcat and fishy immediately abandoned his suspicions of ironcat to vote me. i really didn't know what to make of that, except that he wasn't committed to his vote, or he and his scumbuddy were just trying to lynch anyone...i suspect a sloppy move like that it would be a newbie thing to do, but fishy is obviously not newbie so it leaves the alternative. am i missing something?

I think this is a pretty simplistic view of the game. Town is ignorant and paranoid, shifting focus, and constantly pursuing new leads is part of why I town read FF. Do you really think it is that simple to catch scum? That ScumFF would immediately abandon a lynch he wants because you moved off? Or is it more likely that Town!FF who has a lot less info, and don't actually know Cat's alignment, but only has suspicions would suddenly be MORE suspicious of your sudden abandonment of the wagon?

Formerfish · Post Post #878 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:37 pm

In post 876, votato wrote:hmm i havent gone back to re-read the ISO on gibus. but my memory doesnt ping me. If people are really serious about that wagon ill go reread, but I think its not an optimal lynch for today. If gibus is scum i fully anticipate being able to figure it out with a high degree of confidence well before lylo. i think my lynchpool atm is copykat/tuxedo or ironcat/osuka. I could maybe be persuaded about lilith (maybe), or formerfish (probably not today though).

Uhh... Maybe look back, his iso isn't deep, and why not actually participate in the discussion instead of punting having to read him?

votato · Post Post #879 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:39 pm

In post 878, Formerfish wrote:
In post 876, votato wrote:hmm i havent gone back to re-read the ISO on gibus. but my memory doesnt ping me. If people are really serious about that wagon ill go reread, but I think its not an optimal lynch for today. If gibus is scum i fully anticipate being able to figure it out with a high degree of confidence well before lylo. i think my lynchpool atm is copykat/tuxedo or ironcat/osuka. I could maybe be persuaded about lilith (maybe), or formerfish (probably not today though).
Uhh... Maybe look back, his iso isn't deep, and why not actually participate in the discussion instead of punting having to read him?

im very lazy. fine. ugh.

Formerfish · Post Post #880 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:40 pm

In post 879, votato wrote:im very lazy. fine. ugh.

I mean we're only calmly discussing who among us deserves to die today, nothing super serious.

gibus · Post Post #881 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:44 pm

514 -> He voted votato, a former townread, when brass and lilith had the same thought about him. Inconsistency of his view.
521 -> If he was town, he should know better that an artificial town lynch won't help. I find this scum motivated.
562 -> An emotional response is an impulsive lack of judgement. His vote remained for a while on votato so I don't buy this.

votato · Post Post #882 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:44 pm

In post 880, Formerfish wrote:
In post 879, votato wrote:im very lazy. fine. ugh.
I mean we're only calmly discussing who among us deserves to die today, nothing super serious.

exactly. and you want me to put in effort for something so trivial? this is really unfair, mom! I always do the dishes, and you never appreciate it.

osuka · Post Post #883 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:46 pm

In post 872, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 870, Formerfish wrote:
In post 863, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 851, osuka wrote:freddie is confscum by the way
what makes you say that?
Is this close enough to "Why me" for us to fry him?
I bet you're hoping it is.

Shit like this is precisely why you’re confscum

votato · Post Post #884 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:50 pm

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a bit odd.

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noted.

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i dont particularly like the reasoning behind the copykat TR

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could easily be testing the wind to see if he needs to bus.

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decides it is time to bus

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really odd. and then he does actually unvote.

i dunno, i could definitely see a gibus/copykat scumpair (i forget who is in the copykat slot now), but gibus' posts are somewhat better now. when they arent just fluff. a lot of them are fluff. or just a series of references to other posts with insufficient context. like his most recent post. i had to go look up those posts manually to find out they were referring to copykat. Gibus: what is your current read on the copykat slot and why?

votato · Post Post #885 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:50 pm

In post 883, osuka wrote:
In post 872, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 870, Formerfish wrote:
In post 863, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 851, osuka wrote:freddie is confscum by the way
what makes you say that?
Is this close enough to "Why me" for us to fry him?
I bet you're hoping it is.
Shit like this is precisely why you’re confscum

how is that remotely AI?

Freddiethelady · Post Post #886 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:56 pm

In post 830, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Spoiler: Freddie ISO
In post 116, Freddiethelady wrote:Gibus seems too sloppy to be suspicious but it could be an act.

I’m suspicious that Lilith is a little more experienced then she’s letting on. I’m not sure why she jumped on the gibus wagon either. I’d love to hear an explanation since it could be AI.
i was trying to sound clever. it was a really stupid comment that was sparked because of a misunderstanding of who was new. i honestly thought there mods would put one or two SE's with a bunch of newbies and i thought she might be one of them...boy was a wrong about the newbie to SE proportions. yes, it was a rocky start! i was trying to take the advice of a form that said (im paraphrasing) 'share your thoughts and don't be afraid of being wrong occasionally. it helps the game if you try to be genuine and explore your thoughts and observations.'

I still don't think this has been answered. It seems like the start of Freddie's Lilith read, which is pretty rocky ground.

In post 104, Freddiethelady wrote:I’m trying to learn the distinction also. its like throwing darts at a wall. I think the simple answer is that scum will try to be as inconspicuous as possible. Paying close attention to what a person says and how they say can Give you subtle hints. I’m not good at this yet but a healthy dose of skepticism will help you start to weed out leading clues vs gibberish. It’s not rocket surgery but it does take some practice.
Applying your thought process here, have you uncovered subtle hints in what people are saying? And would agree that applying this logic to your own posts would read them as scummy?

i've been trying to. i think confirmation bias is easily applied here because clearly youre less than impressed. ill get better at the rocket surgery asap!

In post 92, Freddiethelady wrote:Gibus you’re like a ping pong ball with your votes. It’s looking sloppy and thoughtless. At some point I’m going to ask you to justify that. Are you prepared to do that?
This is a weird question. Why not ask him to justify them now? This feels like you have clocked an easy push and are just holding back for an opportune moment.

justify now? as in this moment?

In post 345, Freddiethelady wrote: Lilith hasn’t posted much lately, has she? I wonder why. Ive been suspicious of her without being able to collect my thoughts or any evidence (if in fact there is any) against her yet.
This happened 7 irl days ago, and over HALF the game ago. Yet they have still done nothing with this. Where is the evidence Freddie? Where are the reads?

i don't know yet. i do like her. i like her questions and observations and i loved how she ate fried fish during her arguments with him. what say you @lilith? how can i engage you or anyone better?

So reading Freddie I don't find scum hunting, it is mostly excuses and questions about site stuff. There is very little pushes or curiosity. I also read through their ISO of Newbie 1997 and they feel very different there. For one, they replaced into that game and have nearly as many posts there as they do here. And in that game, they don't seem nearly as lost and unsure, constantly pursuing things and asking questions. This really feels like scum that doesn't know what to say.

VOTE: Freddiethelady

i know im sus, its okay. its easy to pick on low hanging fruit isn't it especially when you subbed into the slot you did? copycat was pretty anxious

gibus · Post Post #887 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:57 pm

@votato 884 is a repeat of 837.

Read 864

Freddiethelady · Post Post #888 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:57 pm

oh crap. I didn't do that post right...you can't see my comments between tuxs. let me repost

Freddiethelady · Post Post #889 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:58 pm

In post 883, osuka wrote:
In post 872, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 870, Formerfish wrote:
In post 863, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 851, osuka wrote:freddie is confscum by the way
what makes you say that?
Is this close enough to "Why me" for us to fry him?[/quote

I bet you're hoping it is.
Shit like this is precisely why you’re confscum

but how? you don't like my sense of humor? its okay, im usually the only one laughing at my jokes.

gibus · Post Post #890 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:04 pm

In post 884, votato wrote:Gibus: what is your current read on the copykat slot and why?

I can't answer this yet. I would be repeating an old mistake if I did. I'll explain my read later in the game.

Tuxedo Mask · Post Post #891 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:04 pm

Freddie. There. Are. Questions. In. There.
Nice dodge though.

Tuxedo Mask · Post Post #892 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:06 pm

@Votato I'm Copy Cat.

Freddiethelady · Post Post #893 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:06 pm

In post 877, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 871, Freddiethelady wrote:"Do you think that Formerfish would have hopped off of the wagon to attack the person who left the wagon just before him whether it was your or Lilith interchangeably?"

@nauci that was what I was trying to figure out. I explained why i unvoted ironcat and fishy immediately abandoned his suspicions of ironcat to vote me. i really didn't know what to make of that, except that he wasn't committed to his vote, or he and his scumbuddy were just trying to lynch anyone...i suspect a sloppy move like that it would be a newbie thing to do, but fishy is obviously not newbie so it leaves the alternative. am i missing something?
I think this is a pretty simplistic view of the game. Town is ignorant and paranoid, shifting focus, and constantly pursuing new leads is part of why I town read FF. Do you really think it is that simple to catch scum? That ScumFF would immediately abandon a lynch he wants because you moved off? Or is it more likely that Town!FF who has a lot less info, and don't actually know Cat's alignment, but only has suspicions would suddenly be MORE suspicious of your sudden abandonment of the wagon?

I didn't think my explanation was a 'sudden abandonment'...it took me days to come to that, i said that, and i didn't vote someone else...where as FF did. he just said 'freddie, youre sus cause you changed your mind'. is that how we role? that points to a lot of scummy people here - im newbie, he isn't. im being thoughtful. he shouldn't be given a get out of jail free card for that one, in my opinion.
and no, i definitely don't think finding scum is that easy. you seem to think it is though - youre picking on the new kid saying im clever enough to be scum....while i appreciate the comment, i think lots of people here can see youre just wrong on this one.

Freddiethelady · Post Post #894 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:06 pm

appreciate the compliment** not comment

Freddiethelady · Post Post #895 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:08 pm

In post 891, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Freddie. There. Are. Questions. In. There.
Nice dodge though.

yes, i can see that. did you see my #888? i formatted it wrong. i thought you could reply in between the block quotes (from me)...if you open the spoiler, i do have some comments. i will be reposting it.

Tuxedo Mask · Post Post #896 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:09 pm

In post 886, Freddiethelady wrote:i know im sus, its okay. its easy to pick on low hanging fruit isn't it especially when you subbed into the slot you did? copycat was pretty anxious

What's with this shade? You're also parroting what others have said, again. Do you scum read my slot? I don't see it in your ISO.

Tuxedo Mask · Post Post #897 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:11 pm

In post 895, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 891, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Freddie. There. Are. Questions. In. There.
Nice dodge though.
yes, i can see that. did you see my #888? i formatted it wrong. i thought you could reply in between the block quotes (from me)...if you open the spoiler, i do have some comments. i will be reposting it.

No, that's my bad. I apologize, it turns out I was the lazy one. I didn't think your answers would be in there.

Freddiethelady · Post Post #898 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:12 pm

In post 830, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Spoiler: Freddie ISO
In post 116, Freddiethelady wrote:Gibus seems too sloppy to be suspicious but it could be an act.

I’m suspicious that Lilith is a little more experienced then she’s letting on. I’m not sure why she jumped on the gibus wagon either. I’d love to hear an explanation since it could be AI.
I still don't think this has been answered. It seems like the start of Freddie's Lilith read, which is pretty rocky ground.

In post 104, Freddiethelady wrote:I’m trying to learn the distinction also. its like throwing darts at a wall. I think the simple answer is that scum will try to be as inconspicuous as possible. Paying close attention to what a person says and how they say can Give you subtle hints. I’m not good at this yet but a healthy dose of skepticism will help you start to weed out leading clues vs gibberish. It’s not rocket surgery but it does take some practice.
Applying your thought process here, have you uncovered subtle hints in what people are saying? And would agree that applying this logic to your own posts would read them as scummy?

In post 92, Freddiethelady wrote:Gibus you’re like a ping pong ball with your votes. It’s looking sloppy and thoughtless. At some point I’m going to ask you to justify that. Are you prepared to do that?
This is a weird question. Why not ask him to justify them now? This feels like you have clocked an easy push and are just holding back for an opportune moment.

In post 345, Freddiethelady wrote: Lilith hasn’t posted much lately, has she? I wonder why. Ive been suspicious of her without being able to collect my thoughts or any evidence (if in fact there is any) against her yet.
This happened 7 irl days ago, and over HALF the game ago. Yet they have still done nothing with this. Where is the evidence Freddie? Where are the reads?

So reading Freddie I don't find scum hunting, it is mostly excuses and questions about site stuff. There is very little pushes or curiosity. I also read through their ISO of Newbie 1997 and they feel very different there. For one, they replaced into that game and have nearly as many posts there as they do here. And in that game, they don't seem nearly as lost and unsure, constantly pursuing things and asking questions. This really feels like scum that doesn't know what to say.

VOTE: Freddiethelady

here are the comments i made when i messed up (sorry again!)
i was trying to sound clever. it was a really stupid comment that was sparked because of a misunderstanding of who was new. i honestly thought there mods would put one or two SE's with a bunch of newbies and i thought she might be one of them...boy was a wrong about the newbie to SE proportions. yes, it was a rocky start! i was trying to take the advice of a form that said (im paraphrasing) 'share your thoughts and don't be afraid of being wrong occasionally. it helps the game if you try to be genuine and explore your thoughts and observations.'

i've been trying to. i think confirmation bias is easily applied here because clearly youre less than impressed. ill get better at the rocket surgery asap!

justify now? as in this moment?

i don't know yet. i do like her. i like her questions and observations and i loved how she ate fried fish during her arguments with him. what say you @lilith? how can i engage you or anyone better?

Freddiethelady · Post Post #899 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:14 pm

In post 897, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 895, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 891, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Freddie. There. Are. Questions. In. There.
Nice dodge though.
yes, i can see that. did you see my #888? i formatted it wrong. i thought you could reply in between the block quotes (from me)...if you open the spoiler, i do have some comments. i will be reposting it.
No, that's my bad. I apologize, it turns out I was the lazy one. I didn't think your answers would be in there.

not at all! they should have been up front, clear, and easy to read. it won't happen again!